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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.

And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.

Enjoy the games.
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4421
On December 12 2011 20:54 Maitolasi wrote:
So MC is through no matter how the game goes?
That's right.
luciusvlm
Profile Joined May 2011
Spain134 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4422
gogogo kratos win and we will see stephano!
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4423
On December 12 2011 20:54 Adreme wrote:
So essentially this game means nothing to DRG and everything to MC.


Other way around man.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4424
On December 12 2011 20:47 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 20:43 gh0un wrote:
Helions start to look overpowered in tvz.
Stephano was on creep with his lings and mvp was still able to pick off like 80% of stephanos lings with 3 to 4 shots while stephano was trying to position them.

Stephano even went for a good build against mass helion marine, he didnt expand to the third too fast and tried to defend on 2 base getting up to infestors, had like 4 spines at his entrance, but he just got rolled over.



A good build would have been Roaches, not mass ling with spines.

The problem for Stephano was that he was not able to scout MVP's main base, and thus be able to prepare.

Still, had he had a baneling nest just as a safety precaution he would have definitly held it better. He saw the hellions at the tower and Mvp didn't rush into his main. He could easily have morphed some in time.

Sometimes it makes me wonder why top level zergs don't just make a baneling nest/roach warren earlier, without making the units. I don't believe 150 resources isn't worth it compared to out-right losing games because you weren't prepared for something.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4425
On December 12 2011 20:48 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 20:44 iSunrise wrote:
On December 12 2011 20:40 Newbistic wrote:
Khaldor got too used to solo casting for KSL, poor Wolf :/

I´m not sure why everyone is mad at Khaldor, he simply enjoys the games. He´s an emotional guy that does emotional commentary, that´s why we love him. It would be totally boring if every caster had the same commentary style.


Sorry, but this is a really useless statement. His "enjoying of the game" kinda hurts his casting. Shouting must be done at the right times, and not too much. Less is more - you know. And you saying, that it would be boring if every caster had the same style, what's that got to do with shit? nobody said it should be same, just that what he was doing wasn't working. God, that is the most shitty argument, why do people ever use that ...

I was simply answering to the negative comments some people had, because I really enjoyed the cast and the games. I like Wolf, too, you know. It´s a subjective thing. You are right though that Khaldor shouts "a bit too much" at times. But like I already said, that´s just the way he rolls.
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4426
On December 12 2011 20:54 Adreme wrote:
So essentially this game means nothing to DRG and everything to MC.


Other way around. MC is through regardless. DRG needs the win.
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4427
On December 12 2011 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 20:51 gh0un wrote:
No they are not and i didnt say that, you are just playing dumb.
The reason they are being built anyways is because there isnt anything else you can build against mass helion marine.
Mass helion marine comes fairly early, and the only thing zerg has access to is either roaches, lings or banes, of which all of them suck against marine helion.

Are you really that clueless? Roaches laugh at Marines/Hellions, and speedbanes on creep would have crushed stim-less Marines.

you forget how long it takes to make speed banes...
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4428
On December 12 2011 20:54 Adreme wrote:
So essentially this game means nothing to DRG and everything to MC.


No, it's kinda the opposite
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4429
On December 12 2011 20:53 SaoPaulo wrote:
The thing about Stephano is he just like Idra - a player who does not listen to other people and keep doing the same thing.

Stephano could use some roaches or banelings against MVP - but he does not use these units because he doesnt want to.. Srsly


Stephano ? No roaches ? WTF ?
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4430
MC fighting for freedom!

honestly though DRG /should/ take this. As long as DRG survives the 2base.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4431
On December 12 2011 20:54 MrCash wrote:
I didn't understand that explanation on advancing.
But since MC beat Stephano, wouldn't he advance even if he loses to DRG?


Yes, MC would advance but lose his pride.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4432
MC is in total chill mode, he fights only for group placement. No matter if he wins or loses he advances, only question is if he fucks Stephano up in the process
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 11:55:01
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4433
On December 12 2011 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 20:51 gh0un wrote:
No they are not and i didnt say that, you are just playing dumb.
The reason they are being built anyways is because there isnt anything else you can build against mass helion marine.
Mass helion marine comes fairly early, and the only thing zerg has access to is either roaches, lings or banes, of which all of them suck against marine helion.

Are you really that clueless? Roaches laugh at Marines/Hellions, and speedbanes on creep would have crushed stim-less Marines.


Yeah most zergs make a roach warren when they see lots of hellions lol. Then again, Stephano didn't see it coming though I doubt he would have made roaches regardless.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4434
This should be an awesome game. Gogo DRG!
Long live the King of Wings
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4435
On December 12 2011 20:53 SaoPaulo wrote:
The thing about Stephano is he just like Idra - a player who does not listen to other people and keep doing the same thing.

Stephano could use some roaches or banelings against MVP - but he does not use these units because he doesnt want to.. Srsly

he uses roaches all the time...
MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4436
On December 12 2011 20:54 Rizell wrote:
Fuck... DRG u gotta win this! I want stephano to advance! Die Ming Chun !!!



You're so stupid... if DRG wins Stephano won't advance. ...
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4437
On December 12 2011 20:53 Zidane wrote:
So MC is in no matter what

That sucks >< Usually players lose when there are nothing at stakes :/
Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4438
MC goes on no matter what. Good deal
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4439
oh.. Crossfire.. Great :/
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#4440
On December 12 2011 20:53 stevorino wrote:
so mc is already advanced and can knock out a foreigner without by just losing without having to fear anything?


Basically yes, but i think MC should be professional enough to play his best.
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