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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.

And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.

Enjoy the games.
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2041
On December 12 2011 19:18 Bandino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:15 Quotidian wrote:
Has Khaldor ever listened to himself when he goes into "excited mode"? I have a feeling he hasn't, because if he did he would chill the fuck out a bit more. His "hype" is seriously ruining the viewing experience


I am going to have to disagree with you there. He adds so much excitement to the game, much like the Korean casters.

I agree with Bandino, I dont mind in the slightest
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2042
On December 12 2011 19:16 Kettchup wrote:
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On December 12 2011 19:13 King.Crimson wrote:
Meh. Too many thors and not enough tanks imo. Would have been an easier win for DRG if he hadn't decided to attack into MVP's sieged natural.


Attacking the natural there was intentional. He killed every tank MVP had with that attack. He lost tons of roaches, but you can always build more roaches. The big danger when going up against mech is when they get a critical mass of tanks that you simply can't break.


Not quite, MVP had a pretty good advantage after that battle, but he just didn't make good use of it. I know hindsight is 20/20

Two things he could have done is solidify his position in the middle of the map with siege tank/thor line and then send hellions to crush the drones at all of DRG's expo.

The other mistake was sending his whole army for a small pack of roaches harassing his natural.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2043
Twitchtv stream is awesome, ty gom <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2044
On December 12 2011 19:19 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
I'm just confused as to why MVP would try mech on cross positions TDA. Maybe he knows something we don't.

he wants a 2-2 5 way tie
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Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2045
On December 12 2011 19:17 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:16 Mithridates wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:14 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:13 iky43210 wrote:
there's a lesson here.

don't play mech
Don't play mech like the protoss deathball*


Both those compistions are weak if split up
Mech is SICK if you actually put pressure on the Z. If you just sit outside his creep and let him get a 5 base eco you deserve to lose. :p Mvp did 0 harass when DRG got to 3 bases and onwards.



DRG prevented that Hellion harass with 2 spines and 2 queens. After that, MVP just...ran his hellions across the map killing stray zerglings. which is good, but not great imho.
roflstomper
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2046
On December 12 2011 19:18 Nate.F wrote:
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On December 12 2011 19:17 Azzur wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:15 thepeonwhocould wrote:
MvP actually played brilliantly. TvZ on Tal'Darim cross-pos against DRG is pretty difficult.....

Nope, he played poorly. If he played well, he would've done helion harassment on the 4th base

thats kinda objective. he didn't play poorly, just that DRG had the threat of backstab there for so long and MVP was indecisive.


Doing helion harassment has no risk of a backstab. Being indecisive was a poor decision unless he thought DRG was on 3 bases. If he did think that, then it was a scouting fail. Either way, it's poor play.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2047
I used to not like Khaldor too, but then I decided to sit down and watch him without going "I hate Khaldor" constantly.

Turns out he's not that bad.
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cvt
Profile Joined November 2011
United States192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 10:21:36
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2048
The problem wasn't that he chose mech but that he chose to move out before he had a big army.. DRG had enough roaches inbetween MVP's army to deny him from re-enforcing his army. and enough counter attacks that MVP couldn't ever get the 'critical mass' needed to win with mech

edit1: also blue flame hellions should destroy drones at every outlying expansion even with spines there. I didn't see any of that going on.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2049
On December 12 2011 19:18 Tofugrinder wrote:
oh man, can people just stop saying "mech isn't viable vs zerg"? It has been proven that it is (by mvp himself), you just have to be careful


imo, it can be almost the same vs protoss. a shame no real top terran constantly tries, i feel like it can be extremly good if played by an extremly good and smart person
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2050
On December 12 2011 19:18 Asmodeusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:14 Sub40APM wrote:
...is Mech good vs anything?


If you mean any race than yes. If you mean any unit composition than yes. If you mean any strategy than no.


Its good tvt and tvz... MVP has won with mech a lot in tvz and it isn't a 100% win lol but it is completely viable tvz as has been shown more then a few times.
When I think of something else, something will go here
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 10:20:14
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2051
On December 12 2011 19:18 Tofugrinder wrote:
oh man, can people just stop saying "mech isn't viable vs zerg"? It has been proven that it is (by mvp himself), you just have to be careful


Hush, let them think that and keep playing only marine tank on ladder, I'm perfectly happy with that.
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2052
On December 12 2011 19:19 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
I'm just confused as to why MVP would try mech on cross positions TDA. Maybe he knows something we don't.

its good just that he didn't do it right.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2053
On December 12 2011 19:14 GwSC wrote:
"outclassed" is somehow slowly replacing "outplayed" whenever someone loses, for some reason


It's about as annoying as in beta when many people devided players into "classy" and "not classy" categories.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2054
On December 12 2011 19:17 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:16 Mithridates wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:14 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:13 iky43210 wrote:
there's a lesson here.

don't play mech
Don't play mech like the protoss deathball*


Both those compistions are weak if split up
Mech is SICK if you actually put pressure on the Z. If you just sit outside his creep and let him get a 5 base eco you deserve to lose. :p Mvp did 0 harass when DRG got to 3 bases and onwards.



How are you supposed to pressure on the largest map in the game with the slowest army . Hellions have to buffer for the thors and tanks otherwise the expensive gas units will get rolled. Mech is not an all map strategy and MvP should know that
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2055
On December 12 2011 19:15 Quotidian wrote:
Has Khaldor ever listened to himself when he goes into "excited mode"? I have a feeling he hasn't, because if he did he would chill the fuck out a bit more. His "hype" is seriously ruining the viewing experience


Are you serous? I Cannot begin to state how wrong this post is...
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2056
On December 12 2011 19:18 Frazzlehoon wrote:
Relevant k-pop music video for the break!



Infinitely yours, Seoul.


WHOA!!! How recent is this? This si awzm!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2057
MVP needed at least 20 cloaked ghosts imo. just like vs XiGua
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Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2058
On December 12 2011 19:14 StUfF wrote:
Theme of these games seem to be make roach win games.

I thought MVP was so ahead after denying the third for so long, and the botched attack by DRG.
MVP never took advantage, got his own third denied and sat in base whilst DRG took a 4th?

I think it was actually a pretty good attack, considering what happened in the next couple of minutes. DRG had just maxed out, and he was able to make some use of his mostly useless Mutas. He engaged waaaaaaaaay over the other side of the map from his own base, so that by the time MVP was knocking on his door he'd already remaxed.
Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2059
On December 12 2011 19:19 darkest44 wrote:
Twitchtv stream is awesome, ty gom <3


what? wow...didnt see that. swtiching to TwichTV now lol.
roflstomper
DSDSDS
Profile Joined December 2011
Burma18 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2060
I still cant believe dgr won this game
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