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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.

And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.

Enjoy the games.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2061
On December 12 2011 19:19 Rorix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:17 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:16 Mithridates wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:14 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:13 iky43210 wrote:
there's a lesson here.

don't play mech
Don't play mech like the protoss deathball*


Both those compistions are weak if split up
Mech is SICK if you actually put pressure on the Z. If you just sit outside his creep and let him get a 5 base eco you deserve to lose. :p Mvp did 0 harass when DRG got to 3 bases and onwards.



DRG prevented that Hellion harass with 2 spines and 2 queens. After that, MVP just...ran his hellions across the map killing stray zerglings. which is good, but not great imho.

Wtf? So he has to suicide his helions into a choke instead? MVP actually got himself into a not awful position by killing so many zerglings on the field. It's the number 1 best move he could've done.
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2062
i hate when terran does mech tvz actually... thors just feel so clunky slow and a-move
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2063
I don't like Mech vs Zerg, especially on large open maps without a ramp to your base. It's only strong if you have a large count of Thors and siege tanks in one group.

That means any attack is almost an all-in, since you can't both attack and defend unless your opponent is significantly behind. It is dependent on winning a base race or your opponent making a mistake, throwing his army away into your mech ball.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2064
it seems that if mvp pushed right after DRG stupidly lost all those roaches he woulda won. Instead he just walked all around the map with no purpose.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2065
On December 12 2011 19:19 nihlon wrote:
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On December 12 2011 19:14 GwSC wrote:
"outclassed" is somehow slowly replacing "outplayed" whenever someone loses, for some reason


It's about as annoying as in beta when many people devided players into "classy" and "not classy" categories.

lol?

I wasn't paying much attention during the beta... so thankfully i didn't see this. Sounds ridiculously moronic.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2066
On December 12 2011 19:19 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
I'm just confused as to why MVP would try mech on cross positions TDA.

Because he started with double Reactor Hellion and barely did any damage with it.
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2067
On December 12 2011 19:17 KristofferAG wrote:
If mech is still so damn slow in HotS, I probably still wont use it. It seems like every time I try to go mech, Roaches or zerglings run into my base, or there's a drop that forces me into a base race situation which I end up losing.

Mvp did that so muc better than me. No surprise there.


Not to get into a balance discussion in an LR thread, but you realise that the slowness of mech is its drawback? As in, it has insane damage output, but is extremely slow to balance it out.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 10:21:45
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2068
On December 12 2011 19:18 Bandino wrote:
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On December 12 2011 19:15 Quotidian wrote:
Has Khaldor ever listened to himself when he goes into "excited mode"? I have a feeling he hasn't, because if he did he would chill the fuck out a bit more. His "hype" is seriously ruining the viewing experience


I am going to have to disagree with you there. He adds so much excitement to the game, much like the Korean casters.


This x1000

This is why i like also to listen to the Korean casters even if i can't understand them
Never GG MKP | IdrA
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2069
On December 12 2011 19:17 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:14 Lavi wrote:
if he built more tanks then drg would just build more muta and overwhelm the lower thor count


Not true, once you have weapons upgrade 3-4 Thor will rape pretty much any amount of mutas, even with magic boxing.


Sorry to nitpick but this is just SO wrong. 4+2 thors can easily be magic boxed by 20 mutas and die really quickly, even with scvs repairing, because the scvs start to die from the splash. MVP lost too many tanks for free though, and that really cost him the game. Although he was already pretty behind from his opening imo.
RIP GOMTV. RIP PROLEAGUE.
Scodia
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom588 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2070
DATARM
Laugh, Cry, Wonder Why. Fans of - SlayersMin -
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2071
On December 12 2011 19:14 slicknav wrote:
what the fuck are with these games? horrible decisions by all the losers so far


Just shut up, all thos comments makes me.... herp DeeRrrppP
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2072
Usually MVP is un-counter attackable because he always has a force macroed in his natural with sieged tanks and all.
Usually he would never not punish a undefended expo like the 12 was.
DRG played well, but MVP was kinda in panic mode, which is not his usual self. Imo it's because he lost his 3rd, which never happens, and it messed up everything for him.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2073
On December 12 2011 19:20 Severian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:14 StUfF wrote:
Theme of these games seem to be make roach win games.

I thought MVP was so ahead after denying the third for so long, and the botched attack by DRG.
MVP never took advantage, got his own third denied and sat in base whilst DRG took a 4th?

I think it was actually a pretty good attack, considering what happened in the next couple of minutes. DRG had just maxed out, and he was able to make some use of his mostly useless Mutas. He engaged waaaaaaaaay over the other side of the map from his own base, so that by the time MVP was knocking on his door he'd already remaxed.

DRG's attack was actually pretty poor and that handed MVP an advantage. If DRG had just teched (instead of the botched attack) he would've won easily.
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2074
This is a weird map for PvP.
No relation to Monsieur J.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2075
On December 12 2011 19:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:19 Rorix wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:17 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:16 Mithridates wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:14 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:13 iky43210 wrote:
there's a lesson here.

don't play mech
Don't play mech like the protoss deathball*


Both those compistions are weak if split up
Mech is SICK if you actually put pressure on the Z. If you just sit outside his creep and let him get a 5 base eco you deserve to lose. :p Mvp did 0 harass when DRG got to 3 bases and onwards.



DRG prevented that Hellion harass with 2 spines and 2 queens. After that, MVP just...ran his hellions across the map killing stray zerglings. which is good, but not great imho.

Wtf? So he has to suicide his helions into a choke instead? MVP actually got himself into a not awful position by killing so many zerglings on the field. It's the number 1 best move he could've done.


No, the best move he could have done is deny the third...which he did, later.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2076
On December 12 2011 19:20 Mithridates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:17 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:16 Mithridates wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:14 Elem wrote:
On December 12 2011 19:13 iky43210 wrote:
there's a lesson here.

don't play mech
Don't play mech like the protoss deathball*


Both those compistions are weak if split up
Mech is SICK if you actually put pressure on the Z. If you just sit outside his creep and let him get a 5 base eco you deserve to lose. :p Mvp did 0 harass when DRG got to 3 bases and onwards.



How are you supposed to pressure on the largest map in the game with the slowest army . Hellions have to buffer for the thors and tanks otherwise the expensive gas units will get rolled. Mech is not an all map strategy and MvP should know that

If MVP's helion harass did damage that would be DRG's fault, not MVP's great play. Suiciding helions for drones is very bad in the mid game. Your economy won't be good enough to keep trading like that and get away with it.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2077
On December 12 2011 19:16 hasuterrans wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:14 Sub40APM wrote:
...is Mech good vs anything?


Mech is viable vs zerg MVP just made a few mistakes. Not sending hellions to the 12 oclock when he was outside DRG's main with his army. Also, not enough tanks. Losing your third when you are meching will put you massively behind. I didn't think MVP was going to win after DRG sniped his third.


Not just that, using mech on a map like TDA REQUIRES you to either defend at the choke of your own base or the choke of your opponent. Engaging anywhere else is just a terrible idea if you mech, reason being TDA providing so much surface area with very few obstacles.

Mech works vs Z, but I'd say it is map dependant and TDA is not a good mech map
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2078
On December 12 2011 19:20 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 19:18 Frazzlehoon wrote:
Relevant k-pop music video for the break!



Infinitely yours, Seoul.


WHOA!!! How recent is this? This si awzm!!


It's... pretty old.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2079
On December 12 2011 19:21 Lord_J wrote:
This is a weird map for PvP.

macro pvp!
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qazadex
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia473 Posts
December 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2080
Wolfdor is awesome. Wolf for analysis and Khaldor for hype.
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