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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 31 2011 18:28 GMT
#2041
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
January 01 2012 11:35 GMT
#2042
So does this mean naniwa is 100% not attending hsc, T_T will there just be a empty spot or do u think it will be filled?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 01 2012 11:52 GMT
#2043
On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier.

Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing?

I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format.
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Hetairoi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden508 Posts
January 01 2012 12:04 GMT
#2044
On January 01 2012 01:08 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 00:46 Hetairoi wrote:
On January 01 2012 00:39 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier.

:'( Hopefully it's because GOM is giving you a Code S spot.


Yeah I can definitively see Gom giving him a Code S spot after the incident.

Why would GOM give Nani a code S spot now? Doesn't make sense


/sarcasm.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 01 2012 12:07 GMT
#2045
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


thats kinda true but kinda isnt

i dont think it would make much sense for naniwa to skip HSC for code A since i think HSC prizepool is higher than code A (maybe not but i think so) and the i think many players would love to attend the homestory cup instead of 1 season of code A (and he wouldnt even be sure that he can participate in the actual tournament since the qualifiers are quite hard)

i cant imagine how 1 weekend of HSC could cost him 2 weeks of practice in korea either (1 is much more realistic i think
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Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
January 01 2012 12:36 GMT
#2046
It's hard to calculate I guess but I'm having problems believing that practice time would earn more money in the long run then attending this tournament. They can also practice there for a weekend, there's a practice room. Maybe it's the jet lag and stress from travelling.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 01 2012 12:40 GMT
#2047
On January 01 2012 20:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier.

Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing?

I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format.



...He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295023
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 01 2012 12:59 GMT
#2048
On January 01 2012 21:40 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 20:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier.

Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing?

I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format.



Show nested quote +
...He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295023

Thank you, I had forgotten about that.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
January 01 2012 13:18 GMT
#2049
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
January 01 2012 13:24 GMT
#2050
On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.

MVP has made more money than Nestea but who else? And MVP mostly stayed in Korea too. Most players won't be able to win GSL on a regular basis no matter how much they practice though so ur point still stands I guess
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
January 01 2012 13:31 GMT
#2051
On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.

http://sc2earnings.com/

MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
January 01 2012 13:35 GMT
#2052
On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.

http://sc2earnings.com/

MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea


You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 01 2012 14:47 GMT
#2053
On January 01 2012 21:36 Bojas wrote:
It's hard to calculate I guess but I'm having problems believing that practice time would earn more money in the long run then attending this tournament. They can also practice there for a weekend, there's a practice room. Maybe it's the jet lag and stress from travelling.

playing there isnt practice, you cant play with your team or other koreans from europe. you lose 2 days traveling plus 2 or 3 days at the tournament, then you're jetlagged when you get back. you spend a day getting comfortable playing again. and that time for improving your play and studying your opponents is gone for good. you have 3 opponents and maps are loser pick out of an 8 map pool. thats a lot of potential scenarios to prepare for. its not just improving base skill, but preparation thats the big deal with gsl. because if his opponents dont travel they will spend all that time learning how he plays and practicing specific builds on specific maps.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 01 2012 14:48 GMT
#2054
On January 01 2012 22:35 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:
On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.

http://sc2earnings.com/

MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea


You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency.

EVERYONE who travels a lot becomes apparently worse and says that travel has a negative effect on their play. you cant really argue this.
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Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
January 01 2012 14:54 GMT
#2055
So is it clear whether WhiteRa and Dimaga are coming? Its Christmas time in their countries
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McGregsen
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany110 Posts
January 01 2012 15:10 GMT
#2056
Looks like a general problem to me. If players stay at home they can't play vs other regions properly because of lag. If the players meet at a certain location they lose a lot of valuable practice time due to travelling. So what should we do?
Stick to playing vs local opponents only?
Ricedorf
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany61 Posts
January 01 2012 15:15 GMT
#2057
where is the passion to travel around the world?
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
January 01 2012 15:16 GMT
#2058
On January 01 2012 23:48 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:35 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:
On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.

I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot


I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.


Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.

MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play


And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.

Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.

http://sc2earnings.com/

MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea


You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency.

EVERYONE who travels a lot becomes apparently worse and says that travel has a negative effect on their play. you cant really argue this.


Most players who start travelling to tournaments do this on the height of their play, ie they just had a good result and get invited to tournaments etc. It's only logical that the majority of players do worse then before they started traveling as after reaching a peak you usually go down...
Too much travelling is certainly bad for your game but as a player you should get used to some form of travelling and practicing in unfamiliar places. Any sportsman in top individual sports like tennis for example has to travel A LOT and practice at tons of different places. Playing too many foreign tournaments is bad but not playing them at all also seems bad to me. Getting more familiar away from home can help your game tremendously too.
Randrak
Profile Joined January 2012
1 Post
January 01 2012 16:28 GMT
#2059
will there be a free to watch stream for this event?
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
January 01 2012 16:35 GMT
#2060
On January 02 2012 01:28 Randrak wrote:
will there be a free to watch stream for this event?


Yes, absolutely!
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