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On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S.
Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments.
MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play
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So does this mean naniwa is 100% not attending hsc, T_T will there just be a empty spot or do u think it will be filled?
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On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier.
Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing?
I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format.
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On January 01 2012 01:08 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 00:46 Hetairoi wrote:On January 01 2012 00:39 ZAiNs wrote:On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier. :'( Hopefully it's because GOM is giving you a Code S spot. Yeah I can definitively see Gom giving him a Code S spot after the incident. Why would GOM give Nani a code S spot now? Doesn't make sense
/sarcasm.
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On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot
thats kinda true but kinda isnt
i dont think it would make much sense for naniwa to skip HSC for code A since i think HSC prizepool is higher than code A (maybe not but i think so) and the i think many players would love to attend the homestory cup instead of 1 season of code A (and he wouldnt even be sure that he can participate in the actual tournament since the qualifiers are quite hard)
i cant imagine how 1 weekend of HSC could cost him 2 weeks of practice in korea either (1 is much more realistic i think
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It's hard to calculate I guess but I'm having problems believing that practice time would earn more money in the long run then attending this tournament. They can also practice there for a weekend, there's a practice room. Maybe it's the jet lag and stress from travelling.
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On January 01 2012 20:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing? I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format.
...He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best....
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295023
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On January 01 2012 21:40 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 20:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 31 2011 23:37 Naniwa wrote:
im not playing this qualifier. Just out of curiosity, why not? What do you stand to lose by competing? I really think you'd stand a good shot, especially with the expanded Code A format. Show nested quote +...He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295023
Thank you, I had forgotten about that.
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On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play
And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has.
Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.
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On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has. Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.
MVP has made more money than Nestea but who else? And MVP mostly stayed in Korea too. Most players won't be able to win GSL on a regular basis no matter how much they practice though so ur point still stands I guess 
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On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has. Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice.
http://sc2earnings.com/
MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea
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On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has. Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice. http://sc2earnings.com/MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea
You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency.
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On January 01 2012 21:36 Bojas wrote:
It's hard to calculate I guess but I'm having problems believing that practice time would earn more money in the long run then attending this tournament. They can also practice there for a weekend, there's a practice room. Maybe it's the jet lag and stress from travelling.
playing there isnt practice, you cant play with your team or other koreans from europe. you lose 2 days traveling plus 2 or 3 days at the tournament, then you're jetlagged when you get back. you spend a day getting comfortable playing again. and that time for improving your play and studying your opponents is gone for good. you have 3 opponents and maps are loser pick out of an 8 map pool. thats a lot of potential scenarios to prepare for. its not just improving base skill, but preparation thats the big deal with gsl. because if his opponents dont travel they will spend all that time learning how he plays and practicing specific builds on specific maps.
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On January 01 2012 22:35 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has. Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice. http://sc2earnings.com/MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency.
EVERYONE who travels a lot becomes apparently worse and says that travel has a negative effect on their play. you cant really argue this.
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So is it clear whether WhiteRa and Dimaga are coming? Its Christmas time in their countries
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Looks like a general problem to me. If players stay at home they can't play vs other regions properly because of lag. If the players meet at a certain location they lose a lot of valuable practice time due to travelling. So what should we do?
Stick to playing vs local opponents only?
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where is the passion to travel around the world?
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On January 01 2012 23:48 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 22:35 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 01 2012 22:31 Micket wrote:On January 01 2012 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 01 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote:On January 01 2012 03:26 Mandalor wrote:On January 01 2012 03:19 Xeris wrote:
You guys gotta realize that players can't go to every single tournament... people tried that in 2011 and it clearly is a bad idea. People are going to start picking and choosing which events to attend this year, and put in more practice. Remember, if you go to a tournament every month, or 2 tournaments every month - you basically cut your practice time down about 75%, it's just not smart.
I reckon, while HSC is an amazing, laid-back chill and awesome environment... $15,000 prize pool probably isn't worth a player like Naniwa losing 1-2 weeks of practice time in Korea. That's just my belief, maybe I'm wrong. If I were a top level player, I might choose to practice and play in a $100,000 tournament in better shape than lose that time and play for a 15k pot I agree with most of what you say, but financially speaking it doesn't make sense to skip HSC for GSL. Naniwas chances of winning / placing high at HSC is infinitely higher than winning / placing well in code S. Sure, but that's being very short sighted. Right now he has a greater chance to win HSC... but he loses practice. People value practice time pretty highly, because to even have a chance to win GSL you need to put in the time -- why do you think Nestea has been so consistent in GSL? Because he only practices for that and doesn't travel all over the place attending foreign tournaments. MC even spoke about how much the travel affects your play And where does it put NesTea? There are players with more $ made than him, traveling. I absolutely agree that you have to pick tournaments as you just cannot attend at every big tournament, but I think the practice value of 1 / 2 weeks is not equal to a fair chance of winning 15000$ because I don't think 2 more weeks of practice will give Naniwa way more of an edge in GSL than he already has. Once you reach a certain level which Naniwa has is to maintain your level and build up on that. I think 2 weeks of practice would barely increase his skill and chances to win GSL but participating in the HSC would be a good chance to win 15k and also practice. http://sc2earnings.com/MVP travels just as infrequently as NesTea You can name 2 at the top that do not travel as much, but there are plenty at the top seats that do travel quiet a lot and are way ahead of people that do not. I think overall it also comes down to skill and consistency. EVERYONE who travels a lot becomes apparently worse and says that travel has a negative effect on their play. you cant really argue this.
Most players who start travelling to tournaments do this on the height of their play, ie they just had a good result and get invited to tournaments etc. It's only logical that the majority of players do worse then before they started traveling as after reaching a peak you usually go down...
Too much travelling is certainly bad for your game but as a player you should get used to some form of travelling and practicing in unfamiliar places. Any sportsman in top individual sports like tennis for example has to travel A LOT and practice at tons of different places. Playing too many foreign tournaments is bad but not playing them at all also seems bad to me. Getting more familiar away from home can help your game tremendously too.
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will there be a free to watch stream for this event?
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On January 02 2012 01:28 Randrak wrote:
will there be a free to watch stream for this event?
Yes, absolutely!
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