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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#981
I don't really think that anything that Forgg did was cheese/all-in other than clever use of units and early aggression. He was teching up or expanding behind everything with some extremely clever tech-switches and trying to keep his units alive long as possible without losing them.

How can anyone hate on that? Isn't that what you want to see?
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#982
On December 06 2011 19:17 trucane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 19:16 SuperFanBoy wrote:
seems to me like Fin just does cheese every game.. 1st game 3 reaper banshee all in, 2nd gane 2 rax bunker rush.


*Facepalm* he is the timing attacker so of course he does things like that


Timing attack? 3mins into the game? he did all in.. and people who saying he expanded behind it, well if his opening got crushed he would be so behind he wouldn't be able to recover so basically it is an all in.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51545 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#983
On December 06 2011 19:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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On December 06 2011 19:18 MrCon wrote:
On December 06 2011 19:15 lizzard_warish wrote:
Just to put this in perspective for the sc2 nubs: MVP and nestea, the so-called "gods" of sc2, who everyone fawns over for playing "perfectly" were so bad they were taunted regularly and unceasingly in bw. In fact, zergbong wasnt even good enough for that because he never even got games. He was a washed up joke, a b teamer. That they can play "perfectly" yet be considered atrocious players in the scene thats about to bring a huge influx of players in...heh...


But they still were bw pros in a proteam, which makes them better than....everyone in the world. So calling them bad is very relative.

To be fair, nestea WAS bad when he switched over and started playing starcraft 2 in season 1, but then he raised his skill level by a lot in season 2. He should be respected for how much he's improved, and players who were much better than him in sc1 were passed up mechanically, strategically, and in every other aspect.


on that day in season 1 artosis called nestea terrible.

true story.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#984
On December 06 2011 19:19 nitdkim wrote:
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On December 06 2011 19:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 06 2011 19:16 SuperFanBoy wrote:
seems to me like fOrGG just does cheese every game.. 1st game 3 reaper banshee all in, 2nd gane 2 rax bunker rush.


aggro not all-in he was in total control,even if he lost his first push he would still be in a stable condition therefore not all in.

them newbs don't know what an opening is... sigh


dude, making units is cheese
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#985
On December 06 2011 19:15 lizzard_warish wrote:
Just to put this in perspective for the sc2 nubs: MVP and nestea, the so-called "gods" of sc2, who everyone fawns over for playing "perfectly" were so bad they were taunted regularly and unceasingly in bw. In fact, zergbong wasnt even good enough for that because he never even got games. He was a washed up joke, a b teamer. That they can play "perfectly" yet be considered atrocious players in the scene thats about to bring a huge influx of players in...heh...



The thinly-veiled BW > sc2 comment. It's been bubbling on the surface the last few pages. Just say it.

User was warned for this post
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#986
On December 06 2011 19:19 Seeker wrote:
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On December 06 2011 19:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 06 2011 19:16 Angra wrote:
On December 06 2011 19:14 NeilSC wrote:
Puma bunker rushes: "OMG what a cheesy play!!! Terran so IMBA"
ForGG bunker rushes: "Best player ever! Look at that micro, he fucking killed zerglins with marines!!!"


Welcome to the SC2 TL community


actually its because most of those idiots don't watch GSL


There were a lot of factors:

He played against Liquid`HerO. As a TL community, there were SO MANY Liquid fans
PuMa is in EG. Again, ppl see TL and EG as like rivals
PuMa is hated for the 1/1/1. He's been deemed a "cheesy player"

:/ as much as I hate it yeah..... too much hate on PuMa


People who watch GSL for the most part don't have that crazy terran hatred either, because for many seasons Terrans was the only thing you saw at the GSL.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#987
NO! NOT FIN! HE IS fOrGG

!!!!!!!!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#988
On December 06 2011 19:20 dmnum wrote:
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On December 06 2011 19:15 MrCon wrote:
Still not convinced by forgg. Not that his play was bad, but more that his opponent played bad. I know that when someone is dominating, his opponents will look worse than they actually are, but I can't wait for a forgg vs leenock, drg, MC, Oz, MVP, MMA. Until that it's hard to evaluate his actual skill level.

I am impressed with his play, but I'm sad that now almost every popular thread in TL is becoming some kind of SC2/BW discussion.

What does anything he said have to do with sc2vsbw or anything even close to that?
Maruprime.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#989
On December 06 2011 19:19 Divination wrote:
Not to offend anyone or anything, but boxer was a bonjwa in SC1 and he is having limited success in SC2. Just a thought for discussion?

At the time of switching Boxer, July, and Nada were all washed up. Only MVP and ForGG were in-shape players when they switched. The comparison isn't even close.

And to all the haters saying Sage, Polt, and July all played bad... players look bad when they are outclassed. ForGG looks terrible getting destroyed by Bisu and Flash.

If anything these games give me fresh new hope in the SC2 engine, if you think ForGG looks good now let's wait 12 months and watch Effort and Sea.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9055 Posts
December 06 2011 10:21 GMT
#990
You're right tasteless, he's something else.
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#991
On December 06 2011 19:15 lizzard_warish wrote:
Just to put this in perspective for the sc2 nubs: MVP and nestea, the so-called "gods" of sc2, who everyone fawns over for playing "perfectly" were so bad they were taunted regularly and unceasingly in bw. In fact, zergbong wasnt even good enough for that because he never even got games. He was a washed up joke, a b teamer. That they can play "perfectly" yet be considered atrocious players in the scene thats about to bring a huge influx of players in...heh...



true but one thing you not keeping in mind is that sc2 requires alot less skill so those b teamers are still playing great and probably still play good even agaisnt a teamers. like forgg and even flash and bisu YEAH I SAID IT......
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51545 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#992
On December 06 2011 19:21 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 19:17 trucane wrote:
On December 06 2011 19:16 SuperFanBoy wrote:
seems to me like Fin just does cheese every game.. 1st game 3 reaper banshee all in, 2nd gane 2 rax bunker rush.


*Facepalm* he is the timing attacker so of course he does things like that


Timing attack? 3mins into the game? he did all in.. and people who saying he expanded behind it, well if his opening got crushed he would be so behind he wouldn't be able to recover so basically it is an all in.


you are terrible,it was not all-in.

how can anyone be so terrible.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#993
On December 06 2011 19:15 namste wrote:
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On December 06 2011 19:13 jmbthirteen wrote:
forGG played really well, but I don't think it was some super level above everyone. I've been more impressed by MVP and MMA than what I just saw. He certainly deserves Code S and will do well next season, but I'm not gonna pencil him in for the finals.


How dare you not praise him as the best player ever?! No but all the sarcasm and crap aside, he wasn't that impressive there. None of that crap would've worked against a better zerg player than July. Also to me it looks like he's a bit afraid of long macro game against zerg, something that Mvp for example excels at.

Idk about the macro as we really cant say yet. From what I know of forGG (I didn't follow BW), they all say how he was all about timing attacks, and it seems like thats what his builds were geared too.

But he is just being way overhyped right now imo. His control was really good, but better than MVP, MMA, MKP? No. And the reaper/hellion build, we just saw Puma do it in NASL, I believe its a SlayerS build. I think he will do well in Code S though, he does have really good control and his timings seem crisp. Another thing we have to think about right now is the surprise factor of forGG. No one knows his style in sc2 really. I can see him winning a Code S title in the future, but not ready to say he will next season (like Artosis)
www.superbeerbrothers.com
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#994
People whined last time too vs Polt, until they noticed what he had at home.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#995
forGG is sick good.His play is like so solid and technical in his build.When you watch him play,it is just beautiful .
Play your best
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#996
At least, everytime forgg plays, the forums are lively ^^
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
December 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#997
On December 06 2011 19:19 Divination wrote:
Not to offend anyone or anything, but boxer was a bonjwa in SC1 and he is having limited success in SC2. Just a thought for discussion?


omg this argument comes up all the time. boxer was good during a time when sc1 wasn't as figured out and when the level of play was much lower than today's.

when we say people are excited about bw pros switching over, we're talking about the bw pros who are at the top of their game during the eras when the level of play had risen to a high enough level...around 2007/2008 +
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 10:23:47
December 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#998
On December 06 2011 19:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 19:19 Divination wrote:
Not to offend anyone or anything, but boxer was a bonjwa in SC1 and he is having limited success in SC2. Just a thought for discussion?

At the time of switching Boxer, July, and Nada were all washed up. Only MVP and ForGG were in-shape players when they switched. The comparison isn't even close.

And to all the haters saying Sage, Polt, and July all played bad... players look bad when they are outclassed. ForGG looks terrible getting destroyed by Bisu and Flash.

If anything these games give me fresh new hope in the SC2 engine, if you think ForGG looks good now let's wait 12 months and watch Effort and Sea.

effort will break the game and demand starcraft 3.

aka Starcraft BW:HD
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
December 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#999
This is Tastosis imo
Trance music makes the fairys dance
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51545 Posts
December 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#1000
On December 06 2011 19:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 19:19 Divination wrote:
Not to offend anyone or anything, but boxer was a bonjwa in SC1 and he is having limited success in SC2. Just a thought for discussion?

At the time of switching Boxer, July, and Nada were all washed up. Only MVP and ForGG were in-shape players when they switched. The comparison isn't even close.

And to all the haters saying Sage, Polt, and July all played bad... players look bad when they are outclassed. ForGG looks terrible getting destroyed by Bisu and Flash.

If anything these games give me fresh new hope in the SC2 engine, if you think ForGG looks good now let's wait 12 months and watch Effort and Sea.


why would effort switch,if he switches would TL grab him?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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