On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote: The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.
Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?
Lose a slot as a result of what?
Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.
Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
Can't IPL just check if the series has been played out and just broadcast a different series while Dignitas/Slayers finishes this one at a later date?
If the teams can't finish it in one day due to expected reasons, they should be able to finish the next day or something. Idk how it works but it sounds reasonable.
On December 06 2011 12:04 Kakoon wrote: it is disrespectful but there is a reason why there is a surrender button.. if you ever think you cant win you click it. this is the same thing as forfeiting a tournament
This is true, we aren't arguing this. The point is that there is over 7k to 10k people who were left in the lurch, believing that there was going to be a good fight to the end. To say to the effect, "Let's forfeit - stuff it, we aren't going to win", sends the wrong type of message out - I enjoy watching people fight to the very end, esp. when there is fans to entertain and money on the line... BoxeR fights to the very end and is inspirational. [If the reason was that players were not available, this tournament has been advertised for over a week; many people had the mind to put it on their calendars, for the Dignitas Team Manager to not arrange the availability of players is a severe failure.]
TyLoo last week, some people may not have been happy with the tactics of Uhen, but he took it to the final game - and almost won, had Alicia not been on the ball! That was really exciting. What did I get today? I watched a team who simply gave up. Hope the sponsors take note of teams like this who don't bother with air time and care about fans.
On December 06 2011 12:13 CeriseCherries wrote: I just watched Killer v Crank. Holy shit if that happened to me, I would need a new keyboard
The crazy thing is, that Dream tried a very similar attack with the FF on the ramp against Golden, and was close to winning, but then decided to attack the spine-defended third rather than the main. Slayers just so good. Crazy thing is we have not even seen one of their top Terrans since Ryung months ago.
On December 06 2011 11:32 lichter wrote: Wow I was wondering why this suddenly ended after I went to water my plants (i love my plants)
These teams give up too fast -__- ''
It's a helpless feeling really, knowing that your entire lineup is unable to do anything to stop a B-teamer (whom very few people had even heard of before Team Arena) from decimating your team. Perhaps the worst part is knowing that even as you are losing, you are being toyed around with and can do nothing to stop it. Liquid put up some resistance against the B-team, as did Tyloo (or more like just Uhen), but Millenium, Acer, aTn were all helplessly played. It's a very humiliating experience.
Should they have forfeit? Hell no, you fight until the end.
I've played several sports competitively (at an amateur level, but seriously) so I know what it feels like to have to endure an entire quarter or half of humiliation after the result has already been all but decided. That's why it makes no sense to me to give up That's why I also get annoyed/disappointed at preemptive ggs. Oh well.
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote: The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.
Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?
Lose a slot as a result of what?
Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.
Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
It may not be worth tons of drama but it is definitely worth bashing Dignitas. They didn't show respect for your league or the fans watching, that should mean something to you.
It definitely does mean a lot of me. I meant "bashing" more as serious attacks on Dignitas, who have competed faithfully in IPL 1, 2, 3 and other tournaments we've run. Them not being ready with a 5th player sucks, no doubt, and they should have been ready to go but it doesn't mean that they are a terrible team who was out to disrespect us, you, and the audience in general. This is literally the first incident we've had with them, and jumping on them for forfeiting one game seems a little premature. Not saying the audience shouldn't be disappointed though, as we certainly were.
Extremely tight schedules and troubles with fitting KST with CET led to this unfortunately. SlayerS could only play at certain times which were either extremely late for us or extremely early and we also had players attending both MLG Providence and Dreamhack Winter during all of this, including the travelling time for players who went to both events (SjoW & SeleCT for example) it was just very hard to find a fit time. We did what we could to bring out a 5th player but in the end we couldn't pull through. This is of course disappointing both for us and for the fans/viewers but know we really tried our best to get this to work.
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote: The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.
Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?
Lose a slot as a result of what?
Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.
Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
Why didn't you come out to defend Millenium when the same happened ? Will these forfeit have an influence on future invitations ?
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote: The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.
Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?
Lose a slot as a result of what?
Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.
Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
Why didn't you come out to defend Millenium when the same happened ? Will these forfeit have an influence on future invitations ?
Stop talking about that, they defended Millenium aswell and no team needs to be bashed when they forfeit a game. In all this thread it's like if you were robbed of something... This is ridiculous, if you wanna see a game there is like 20 millions wich you can see on the internet with VODs, Replays and livestreams. Just forget about this issue, this is not a drama
why dont just every team surrender so we can get it down to SlayerS vs EG... it is shame about time zones and such but hey that is life, and a team should go to the end and i mean we are clearly seeing the difference between team houses and just teams. also gotta hurt so baad for the foreigner teams to know that when a team like SlayerS come with Code A or B lineup guys then they still steam roll those that are considered very very good players by casters and fans.
SlayerS FTW and this is a great example that the so called october revalution is nothing but overhyped by fans/writers and commentators the Koreans are still miles ahead and can afford to take a pause for 3 months and still be way ahead.
On December 06 2011 21:50 MrMercuG wrote: Why didn't Dignitas use Select, Sjow and BlinG? They would stand a chance...
On December 06 2011 20:36 dignitas.merz wrote: Extremely tight schedules and troubles with fitting KST with CET led to this unfortunately. SlayerS could only play at certain times which were either extremely late for us or extremely early and we also had players attending both MLG Providence and Dreamhack Winter during all of this, including the travelling time for players who went to both events (SjoW & SeleCT for example) it was just very hard to find a fit time. We did what we could to bring out a 5th player but in the end we couldn't pull through. This is of course disappointing both for us and for the fans/viewers but know we really tried our best to get this to work.
hey, dignitas sc2 manager here. first of all, obviously, i personally and the dignitas management are very sorry about what happened with this match. by forfeiting the last player, we took away a lot of the excitement for this match for all of you guys and especially disappointed the IPL who gave us a chance to compete in this amazing tournament. we were very grateful when we were asked to replace a team short-notice and accepted the fact that we were massively behind schedule to play the game.
unfortunately, we came to this tournament at a very unlucky timing with mlg only a few days away. this was not a problem for slayers as they said they don't depend on boxer and mma (who were also attending mlg) but for us it was. we accepted the invitation thinking we could work something out which as it turned out we couldn't. our attempts to get sjow and select to play from the venue didn't work out. same with the idea to play their games on the morning after their return from mlg (at noon they would already leave for dreamhack again). so at this point we were already delaying the tournament to a horrible extent which made us feel really bad seeing as IPL have had the understood hope in us to catch up with the scheduling quickly. since i saw no way to tax IPL's patience further, i had to forfeit the last player.
i hope that you can at least understand our point of view that the tough time situation (which noone but us for accepting the invitation in good faith is to blame for) and our refusal to delay the tournament even further left us with no choice. thank you.
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That's why I also get annoyed/disappointed at preemptive ggs. Oh well.
