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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 05 2011 17:05 GMT
#1441
On December 06 2011 00:24 bubl100500 wrote:
Were Bomber vs MC games good? Very happy for MC btw!!!

Yeah I liked them.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
December 05 2011 17:27 GMT
#1442
On December 05 2011 23:21 ImmortalTofu wrote:
I just realized that there's gonna be a kinda random Protosses in code S next season.... They did well here but I'm not sure how they'll fare in the big pond. Time to see how well GSL's new format works!


PartinG has always been mid-high GM in KR ladder, not sure about Brown though but his play in this Code A season has been really good. I think they can do pretty decent in Code S but we will have to see about that.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 17:52:37
December 05 2011 17:32 GMT
#1443
FUCK YES!!! Protoss day!!!
I knew Parting, MC and Brown could do it, yeah babies!

4/4 LB today too!!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 05 2011 17:53 GMT
#1444
Poor Losira
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37061 Posts
December 05 2011 17:55 GMT
#1445
On December 06 2011 02:53 Drazerk wrote:
Poor Losira


-_-;; where the fux were u?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 05 2011 17:58 GMT
#1446
Wow, impressive by Brown. Sangho = /

Bomber noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
roflSloth
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
December 05 2011 18:01 GMT
#1447
This was a terrible day for my liquibets ._.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
December 05 2011 18:01 GMT
#1448
Woot, the boss toss back in code S.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
December 05 2011 18:13 GMT
#1449
WOOO! GO MC!

Also happy Losira lost, never liked team IM that much.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 05 2011 18:15 GMT
#1450
2/4 Liquibet.

Didn't expect Brown to run rampant over Losira's face, it sounds like Losira made some critical micro errors in those losses. But Brown is definitely an excellent Protoss and deserves his Code S spot.

WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
December 05 2011 18:20 GMT
#1451
On December 05 2011 20:54 Gijian wrote:
I think Losira thought the Blizzard nerf to Archon toilet was sufficed. He moved his broodlord in because he lost the unit that could have defended the broodlord and thus he want everything in the toilet to protect it, but apparently, archon toilet still works.


That's what's got me confused. Bliz patched the archon toilet so that there is a timer preventing units coming out from attacking and also making them invulnerable. Seems to work OK for banelings, you can't send a mess of banelings in expecting the entire ground army to 'splode when the vortex pops. Why does it still work for archons and is this intended by Blizzard, or was it a fail patch?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 05 2011 18:22 GMT
#1452
On December 06 2011 03:20 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:54 Gijian wrote:
I think Losira thought the Blizzard nerf to Archon toilet was sufficed. He moved his broodlord in because he lost the unit that could have defended the broodlord and thus he want everything in the toilet to protect it, but apparently, archon toilet still works.


That's what's got me confused. Bliz patched the archon toilet so that there is a timer preventing units coming out from attacking and also making them invulnerable. Seems to work OK for banelings, you can't send a mess of banelings in expecting the entire ground army to 'splode when the vortex pops. Why does it still work for archons and is this intended by Blizzard, or was it a fail patch?


After the units come out, they are still sufficiently clumped for an archon toilet to be worthwhile. The invulnerability prevents them from being one-shotted.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 05 2011 18:24 GMT
#1453
Not a good time for GSL Zerg, I hope they bounce back. Everyone bar Leenocktopus looks eminently mortal.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
December 05 2011 18:25 GMT
#1454
On December 06 2011 03:20 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:54 Gijian wrote:
I think Losira thought the Blizzard nerf to Archon toilet was sufficed. He moved his broodlord in because he lost the unit that could have defended the broodlord and thus he want everything in the toilet to protect it, but apparently, archon toilet still works.


That's what's got me confused. Bliz patched the archon toilet so that there is a timer preventing units coming out from attacking and also making them invulnerable. Seems to work OK for banelings, you can't send a mess of banelings in expecting the entire ground army to 'splode when the vortex pops. Why does it still work for archons and is this intended by Blizzard, or was it a fail patch?


What USED to happen was you would archon toilet and every unit inside it meaning lings marines roaches hydras mutas vikings broodlords ultras whatever unit would be clumped as the vortex ended. All the units would attack but since archons do splash damage by pixel, meaning they fire at a pixel and do splash to all units touching it, the archons would fire when the vortex was 1 pixel released, if you will. Therefore EVERY unit would die instantly if you had enough archons.

What happens NOW is that they patched it so units are invulnerable during that vortex release and when they were all in 1 pixel. However, air units like broodlords can remain clumped meaning that archons still splash damage them AND even non air units are still in a very small area meaning the archons splash still has some effect.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
December 05 2011 18:30 GMT
#1455
Parting is gonna royal road... not!

seems we are getting a lot of P's in the next code s...
Share_The_Land
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada152 Posts
December 05 2011 18:35 GMT
#1456
On December 05 2011 23:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Wow, fairly surprising results.

Didn't expect LosirA to lose, or MC to 2-0

I also put faith in SangHo even though it's PvP


I had the exact same thoughts except I knew Bomber would get smoked. He's lost his passion man!!!
"Turns out he's a former Counterstrike pro and grabs his ak!" - Tasteless
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
December 05 2011 18:51 GMT
#1457
yey MC!!!!!!!! now, if we could get a ghost in the shell theme for the casters somewhere in the future, I would be the happiest of man^^.
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
December 05 2011 19:05 GMT
#1458
lol that sip of water was so epic, im a fan haha
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
December 05 2011 19:13 GMT
#1459
On December 05 2011 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 21:15 Alric wrote:
Everyone's probably left by now, but a few more details on voids vs. corruptors. I assume upgrades are 0/0 for both players for simplicity. Once voids are charged (which will happen very quickly in a corrupter/void ray battle), they will do 23.3 dps to a corrupter, whilst the corruptors do 7.4 dps, which we bump up to 8.9 dps assuming the voids are corrupted. So already you see there is a huge difference. Now consider that voids have more health than corrupters, so one corrupter takes about 28.1 seconds to kill a void, whilst a charged void takes about 8.6 seconds to kill a corruptor. That is, void rays take our corruptors about 3.3 times faster than corruptors take our void rays, so you'll need AT LEAST 4 times the number of voids in corruptors to make it even. (You need a lot more since quickly the voids will start killing off corruptors and the DPS of the corruptor army will go down, whilst the first void rays will take longer to fall. Testing in map editor would really be needed to work out the exact numbers.) Now think that in terms of supply, a void ray is only 1.5 the worth of a corruptor. So if the opponent has any decent number of voids they will completely rape the corruptor army unless you have an absurd (and useless) amount of corrupters.

Point is corruptors are terrible. It's a pity that the only other zerg anti-air option (hydras) are even more terrible.


I think Fungal is pretty good Anti-air

Voidray switches are just really expensive and you can get "outswarmed" by corrupters. I still agree that zerg aa is kinda meh though but the problem is the nature of zerg. If zerg had a really good aa unit airplay would be useless against zerg since they could mass produce good aa instantly. The corruptor is bad but you can produce 10 at a time if you see air.


Fungal is pretty weak as a stand-alone AA, especially in these late-game deathball vs deathball engagements. Trying to get close enough to Fungal a ball of Void Rays will get your Infestors instantly incinerated by even a handful of Colossi.

Really the only mistake LosirA made in that game was dumping his entire army into the vortex. I'm not sure what exactly he was thinking unless he's just never been in that situation, because delay or no delay, your army is going to get raped coming out of that vortex.

With the number of Corruptor/Broodlord he had, and the complete lack of Void Rays from Brown, he would have been fine if he had just waited out the vortex.
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
December 05 2011 19:14 GMT
#1460
MC vs Bomber game 1 was really awesome. If you're a fan of MC's lategame PvT, don't miss it!
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
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