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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
December 05 2011 19:17 GMT
#1461
MC Winning + Bomber / Losira losing is music to my ears!
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
December 05 2011 19:41 GMT
#1462
Wow... Brown is really coming out of nowhere in terms of the GSL, and I'm surprised Bomber to be honest. :O
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 05 2011 19:44 GMT
#1463
On December 06 2011 04:41 Chicane wrote:
Wow... Brown is really coming out of nowhere in terms of the GSL, and I'm surprised Bomber to be honest. :O

At least we all know him from ESV weekly. Not like Parting lol, I've no idea until I watched his games.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
December 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#1464
Im so happy for MC!!!
I've got moves like Jagger
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
December 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#1465
Khaldor's understanding of the game has improved alot! Keep it Up man, enjoyed the cast alot.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 05 2011 19:51 GMT
#1466
Ya I'm happy for MC making it back to Code S
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
December 05 2011 20:15 GMT
#1467
MC is back baby!!! Now for boxer and huk to make it through!
.lets get weird
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
December 05 2011 21:00 GMT
#1468
question why did the bleach characters disappear =O
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
adalcim
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany166 Posts
December 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#1469
MC advances and a epic PvZ between Brown and Losira. Nice Games!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#1470
ImHappy MC didn't Losira, but sad that Sangho did Losira

Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Vasher_Pwnzer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States21 Posts
December 05 2011 22:33 GMT
#1471
I don't think I've ever done this bad with liquibets kekekek
Jaedong ♥♥♥
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 22:43:29
December 05 2011 22:36 GMT
#1472
Guys, I just rewatched Brown vs Losira G1 and noticed something I guess a lot of you may have missed.

I read through a few pages of this thread and people were saying that Losira threw away that game when he "suicided" his whole army in the vortex, but that was far from being a suicide. HE HAD NO OTHER OPTION.

He had 2 Overseers with his army providing detection, so he could engage the Protoss ball, but Brown, very cleverly, aimed the vortex at the Corruptor+Overseer clump, managing to trap all the corruptors and one of the overseers, and then killed off the remaining overseer.

So, put yourselves in Losira's shoes for a moment: his corruptors are trapped, so he cannot kill the Mothership, which would be an easy target otherwise, and he got no detection, so his insane broodlord army which would melt whatever ground force Protoss threw at him is completely useless. Running with broodlords is not an option against blink stalkers. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT IS THE MOST REASONABLE SOLUTION?

The correct answer is to do what he did: run his broodlords into the vortex, wait to engage with everything he has, and hope Brown has not enough archons to melt the whole Zerg army. It didn't turn out well for Losira, but that was the best he could do in that particular situation.

I'm sorry if it was already discussed in this thread, but I hope I cleared what happened for the ones who still are confused about Losira's decision.

Fun game btw
in a state of trance
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 22:47:09
December 05 2011 22:45 GMT
#1473
On December 06 2011 07:36 nokz88 wrote:
Guys, I just rewatched Brown vs Losira G1 and noticed something I guess a lot of you may have missed.

I read through a few pages of this thread and people were saying that Losira threw away that game when he "suicided" his whole army in the vortex, but that was far from being a suicide. HE HAD NO OTHER OPTION.

He had 2 Overseers with his army providing detection, so he could engage the Protoss ball, but Brown, very cleverly, aimed the vortex at the Corruptor+Overseer clump, managing to trap all the corruptors and one of the overseers, and then killed off the remaining overseer.

So, put yourselves in Losira's shoes for a moment: his corruptors are trapped, so he cannot kill the Mothership, which would be an easy target otherwise, and he got no detection, so his insane broodlord army which would melt whatever ground force Protoss threw at him is completely useless. Running with broodlords is not an option against blink stalkers. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT IS THE MOST REASONABLE SOLUTION?

The correct answer is to do what he did: run his broodlords into the vortex, wait to engage with everything he has, and hope Brown has not enough archons to melt the whole Zerg army. It didn't turn out well for Losira, but that was the best he could do in that particular situation.

I'm sorry if it was already discussed in this thread, but I hope I cleared what happened for the ones who still are confused about Losira's decision.

Fun game btw



Even standing and doing nothing would have been the correct answer. 4+ Archons had already visibly entered the toilet (ie instant death for BLs if they enter it). You can try to twist it however you want it but fact of the matter is that the majority of corruptors would have survived (they spread fast enough) and so would a big enough amount of BLs.

He also still had 2-4 infestors outside the vortex with enough energy for 2+ fungals to reveal the cloaked units.

edit: to clarify, going in to suicide your BLs as opposed to having about half survive (more or less, vortex isnt infinite duration and the corruptors would have killed the mship after vortex) would have had WAY better results. It's pretty obvious then that it wasn't the correct thing to do for Losira.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
December 05 2011 22:58 GMT
#1474
On December 06 2011 06:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
question why did the bleach characters disappear =O


They didn't

Pdd suggested I move all the "other" decorations to the bottom so that ppl with smaller monitors can scroll down to see the results without suffering all those images/polls
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 23:13:06
December 05 2011 23:12 GMT
#1475
On December 06 2011 07:45 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 07:36 nokz88 wrote:
Guys, I just rewatched Brown vs Losira G1 and noticed something I guess a lot of you may have missed.

I read through a few pages of this thread and people were saying that Losira threw away that game when he "suicided" his whole army in the vortex, but that was far from being a suicide. HE HAD NO OTHER OPTION.

He had 2 Overseers with his army providing detection, so he could engage the Protoss ball, but Brown, very cleverly, aimed the vortex at the Corruptor+Overseer clump, managing to trap all the corruptors and one of the overseers, and then killed off the remaining overseer.

So, put yourselves in Losira's shoes for a moment: his corruptors are trapped, so he cannot kill the Mothership, which would be an easy target otherwise, and he got no detection, so his insane broodlord army which would melt whatever ground force Protoss threw at him is completely useless. Running with broodlords is not an option against blink stalkers. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT IS THE MOST REASONABLE SOLUTION?

The correct answer is to do what he did: run his broodlords into the vortex, wait to engage with everything he has, and hope Brown has not enough archons to melt the whole Zerg army. It didn't turn out well for Losira, but that was the best he could do in that particular situation.

I'm sorry if it was already discussed in this thread, but I hope I cleared what happened for the ones who still are confused about Losira's decision.

Fun game btw



Even standing and doing nothing would have been the correct answer. 4+ Archons had already visibly entered the toilet (ie instant death for BLs if they enter it). You can try to twist it however you want it but fact of the matter is that the majority of corruptors would have survived (they spread fast enough) and so would a big enough amount of BLs.

He also still had 2-4 infestors outside the vortex with enough energy for 2+ fungals to reveal the cloaked units.

edit: to clarify, going in to suicide your BLs as opposed to having about half survive (more or less, vortex isnt infinite duration and the corruptors would have killed the mship after vortex) would have had WAY better results. It's pretty obvious then that it wasn't the correct thing to do for Losira.

Nice theory you got there, but I'm still convinced that was the best choice.

Of course, you can always dismiss it by saying "Oh look at what happened, no way that was the optimal choice", but that's from the privileged viewpoint of the observer, who gets to see everything, including cloacked units.

How many archons did Protoss have? How many of those did enter the vortex? How many stalkers are there under the cloacking field? These are questions you and I can promptly answer, but it was impossible/very difficult to know in the heat of the battle for Losira.

It was a loss/loss situation created by Brown's brillant move, to which Losira reacted by gambling. He lost, but they say hindsight is 20/20. I stand by my word, that was a solid decision.
in a state of trance
ashLoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States202 Posts
December 05 2011 23:19 GMT
#1476
Damn losira got upset
sneep
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 00:31:43
December 06 2011 00:30 GMT
#1477
On December 06 2011 08:12 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 07:45 Serelitz wrote:
On December 06 2011 07:36 nokz88 wrote:
Guys, I just rewatched Brown vs Losira G1 and noticed something I guess a lot of you may have missed.

I read through a few pages of this thread and people were saying that Losira threw away that game when he "suicided" his whole army in the vortex, but that was far from being a suicide. HE HAD NO OTHER OPTION.

He had 2 Overseers with his army providing detection, so he could engage the Protoss ball, but Brown, very cleverly, aimed the vortex at the Corruptor+Overseer clump, managing to trap all the corruptors and one of the overseers, and then killed off the remaining overseer.

So, put yourselves in Losira's shoes for a moment: his corruptors are trapped, so he cannot kill the Mothership, which would be an easy target otherwise, and he got no detection, so his insane broodlord army which would melt whatever ground force Protoss threw at him is completely useless. Running with broodlords is not an option against blink stalkers. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT IS THE MOST REASONABLE SOLUTION?

The correct answer is to do what he did: run his broodlords into the vortex, wait to engage with everything he has, and hope Brown has not enough archons to melt the whole Zerg army. It didn't turn out well for Losira, but that was the best he could do in that particular situation.

I'm sorry if it was already discussed in this thread, but I hope I cleared what happened for the ones who still are confused about Losira's decision.

Fun game btw



Even standing and doing nothing would have been the correct answer. 4+ Archons had already visibly entered the toilet (ie instant death for BLs if they enter it). You can try to twist it however you want it but fact of the matter is that the majority of corruptors would have survived (they spread fast enough) and so would a big enough amount of BLs.

He also still had 2-4 infestors outside the vortex with enough energy for 2+ fungals to reveal the cloaked units.

edit: to clarify, going in to suicide your BLs as opposed to having about half survive (more or less, vortex isnt infinite duration and the corruptors would have killed the mship after vortex) would have had WAY better results. It's pretty obvious then that it wasn't the correct thing to do for Losira.

Nice theory you got there, but I'm still convinced that was the best choice.

Of course, you can always dismiss it by saying "Oh look at what happened, no way that was the optimal choice", but that's from the privileged viewpoint of the observer, who gets to see everything, including cloacked units.

How many archons did Protoss have? How many of those did enter the vortex? How many stalkers are there under the cloacking field? These are questions you and I can promptly answer, but it was impossible/very difficult to know in the heat of the battle for Losira.

It was a loss/loss situation created by Brown's brillant move, to which Losira reacted by gambling. He lost, but they say hindsight is 20/20. I stand by my word, that was a solid decision.


I said roughly the same thing, you mustve missed it perhaps it. Atleast as far as the logic of why he did it. I disagree that he made the better call though.It was a lose lose but it turned out to be the worse of the 2 because this way he lost everything the other option of microing his bls around the vortex so stalkers would have a harder time hitting them. Standing around and doing nothing wouldve been stupid aswell stalkers kill BL's doing nothing pretty quickly last I heard, and yeah he couldve fungled and just in anyway just dragged the battle on.

He took a conscious decision and it was the wrong one if not the worse of the 2. You also have to realise keeping his bls alive longer allows him to remax alot quicker and stay in the game.
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
December 06 2011 01:10 GMT
#1478
On December 05 2011 22:19 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:33 CortoMontez wrote:
On December 05 2011 20:32 spacemonkeyy wrote:
MC attracts so much hate, his macro style is fine he knows how to hit timings; he is greedy. As long as it is not coin flip he can do what he likes IMO. I rarely see MC blind all in...

He is like the opposite of idra- unpredictable and sometimes its hard to know when his attack is going to come which forces people to be honest.

Definitely agree, imo MC is the july of protoss


wow well said
But he is not as big as July tho
he needs to eat some more to get as big as July you know


fixed
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
December 06 2011 06:38 GMT
#1479
On December 05 2011 12:34 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 12:14 JunkkaGom wrote:
Oh the first day will be casted by Moldor.
One does not simply replace Moldor
Day 2 and day 3 will be Tastosis.


GOT IT! Thank you!!


thanks Junkka... "Yugioh" The-Translator
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
December 06 2011 06:41 GMT
#1480
On December 06 2011 07:58 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 06:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
question why did the bleach characters disappear =O


They didn't

Pdd suggested I move all the "other" decorations to the bottom so that ppl with smaller monitors can scroll down to see the results without suffering all those images/polls


oh haha I see them now ^^ I saw the DBZ pix and thought we switched themes or something.

Also, either people don't like power rangers or a lot of people know code geass o.o either way, more publicity for the EPICNESS that is code geass, yay! (oh please don't spoil yourself, don't read the wiki! haha)
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
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