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Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned. The same goes for the regular crowd of: -Balance whiners -Stream whiners -Event and caster bashers -HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters Stick to the games and enjoy your free event. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:23 Bromazepam wrote: Indeed. If anyone denies that Puma's TvP is based on gimmicks he's just in denial. Sure, it works, but that doesn't mean I have to like it :p Gimmicks because every protoss fan thinks marine tank banshee and emps are a gimmick. How the hell are you supposed to win? | ||
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Eraserhead
159 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:23 illu23 wrote: Yeah, you wonder why? Puma winning is no big deal, it's just Terran. However Hero winning shows that skill can still beat imbalance and abusiveness. As usual, Toss winning equals playing several levels better than Terran. Please, please prove to me TL has some back bone and ban MORONS like this | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:21 Tewks44 wrote: I think most of the rage is because Puma can pull half of his SCVs for an offensive advantage and then micro around Hero's base for 2-3 mins without any serious economic penalty. ^This, many people can understand this simple logic, Why the mule was introduced is just unexplainable, id of much preferred some sort of dbl scv making at a +X more seconds as economic boost instead of a no supply, 50 energy, income of 370 minerals mule. This would: 1) Less scv pulling all ins. 2) 1-1-1 openings become extremely weaker 3) Less rage from fans  | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:22 MuseMike wrote: Maybe you haven't seen Puma play PvT, but any time Puma wins money at any tournament its the same builds over and over and never any macro games he wins. As an angry BW fan, PvT just isn't a good matchup in SC2 at this moment. TvZ is the only one that's really evolved into something resembling the glory of the old days IMO. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:20 Badfatpanda wrote: are you trolling? HerO got 3 base against a HUGE 2 base allin, didn't get his tech up until wayyy too late, and got punished for it. The base race wouldnt have occurred if HerO wasn't so greedy. I'm not trolling. SC2 is not BW, but you have to make big tradeoffs when you decide that you want air units to be viable based on hp and attack dmg alone, and thereby they become borderline imba vs ground. Blizzard made those tradeoffs. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I find it makes games less exciting. I wouldn't mind a tweak to the banshee to make it faster and maybe a slightly weaker attack. Nerfing scan cost might help anti-banshee as well. Scan is ridiculous for the cost and size it reveals. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:20 mlspmatt wrote: Puma's outplaying Hero. OK. Its not balance, its not cheesy builds, he's out playing Hero, and winning. Thats all. Get over it. HerO is clearly outplaying Puma, not sure what game you're watching. Just a few missteps have lost HerO all three games. Really wish he'd get a stargate to shut down the air play. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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mlspmatt
Canada404 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:21 itsjuspeter wrote: Well the raven has much more hp... and it moves at the same speed as the terran bio army so its completely covered... observer on the other hand... The Raven costs 100/200, and requires a tech labbed starport. Yes its better than an observer, that's why it costs so much more. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:23 illu23 wrote: Yeah, you wonder why? Puma winning is no big deal, it's just Terran. However Hero winning shows that skill can still beat imbalance and abusiveness. As usual, Toss winning equals playing several levels better than Terran. If you're going to balance whine in an LR thread at least quote correctly =/ HerO taking down the debris at PuMa's third and getting double forge TC tech path. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:22 MuseMike wrote: Maybe you haven't seen Puma play PvT, but any time Puma wins money at any tournament its the same builds over and over and never any macro games he wins. In NASL season 1 he beat MC in long games. He beat Hero in games 1 and 3 because Hero tried to 2 base all-in and failed miserably. Stop being whiny little bitches. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Yeah I wish this view would go away... I am a zerg player but I hate it when people complain about terran no matter how they win, macro terran xx unit OP, cheese terran cheesy noob can't win macro. Its a lose/lose and so irritating to read -_-. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:24 mvtaylor wrote: Please, please prove to me TL has some back bone and ban MORONS like this just ignore them and dont quote them so we dont have to read it twice. =P | ||
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: Gimmicks because every protoss fan thinks marine tank banshee and emps are a gimmick. How the hell are you supposed to win? Proxy Banshee: gimmick. Very early Ghost: gimmick. See, denial! :D | ||
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Sabu113
United States11084 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:23 illu23 wrote: Yeah, you wonder why? Puma winning is no big deal, it's just Terran. However Hero winning shows that skill can still beat imbalance and abusiveness. As usual, Toss winning equals playing several levels better than Terran. I feel this but... I would feel more reporting on the games more :D | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:24 ComusLoM wrote: HerO is clearly outplaying Puma, not sure what game you're watching. Just a few missteps have lost HerO all three games. Really wish he'd get a stargate to shut down the air play. That's why it's 3-1, yeah. | ||
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:21 Raambo11 wrote: Why are posts like this even allowed? Theres nothing wrong with quing units when there is a lot going on, that way you don't stop producing for 3-4 seconds in between cycles, obviously there was a lot going on and the contain had his full attention. Not like protoss has to worry about making units except once every 40s.. Dumb comment ... Don't call it a dumb comment if you think not having the option to queue makes Protoss stronger than Terran somehow, if there is down time on a gateway, it's lost forever, so that's a terran edge, not a protoss edge. Also, queuing 4 banshees is not a good thing. I'm not saying his comment is brilliant, but "Not like protoss has to worry about making units except once every 40s" doesn't make sense either. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:23 illu23 wrote: Yeah, you wonder why? Puma winning is no big deal, it's just Terran. However Hero winning shows that skill can still beat imbalance and abusiveness. As usual, Toss winning equals playing several levels better than Terran. lol what | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:24 ComusLoM wrote: HerO is clearly outplaying Puma, not sure what game you're watching. Just a few missteps have lost HerO all three games. Really wish he'd get a stargate to shut down the air play. Suiciding his army games one and three and not having detection twice lost him his games. That's not small mistakes. He's getting outplayed. This is not a balance issue. | ||
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