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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:01:46
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2121
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument


Huh MMA has qualified for code a multiple times. He beat ret in code A way back when.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2122
On November 26 2011 22:54 Automata wrote:
Next game is in three hours?


Last game between Naama and Nightend is starting now and the next two quarterfinal games are scheduled to start..now. A small wait but no "three hours".
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:03:38
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2123
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
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On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.

maybe?? he just beat DRG who has one of the best ZvT in the world. there even aren't more than 5 good terrans in Korea LOL
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2124
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


u realize he hasn't been trying to qualify for every code A?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2125
On November 26 2011 22:59 Radook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


PumA is my favorite player but his TvT isn't top notch so kind a few other that is better them him.


Who would you say is better? MVP MKP MMA PuMa/Taeja Polt/Bomber maybe 4 and 5 switched
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 26 2011 14:02 GMT
#2126
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

Ganzi won Code A and both played Code S this season, which is much harder than anything Puma ever did.

Not to mention that Taeja does extremely well in the Taeja weeklies
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 14:02 GMT
#2127
'Best' is such a complex term. You can break it down into so many different categories. Current form, pure skill level, achievements, ability to handle pressure, your own personal favouritism....etc. Unless you truly seperate yourself from the pack like MVP or NesTea, it really is hard to compare players.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 14:02 GMT
#2128
On November 26 2011 23:01 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.


Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss.

Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa?
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
November 26 2011 14:02 GMT
#2129
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument


MMA is a GSL champion, your argument is invalid.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 26 2011 14:02 GMT
#2130
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

Wth are you talking about? Ganzi has won code S and taeja has won 4 korean weekly tournaments?
Hubris
Profile Joined November 2010
United States113 Posts
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2131
On November 26 2011 22:56 Radook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:54 Hall0wed wrote:
Wow, hate seeing the better player lose to cheese. I hate bo3s, always tend to be less enjoyable games plagued by cheese.


:D love them tears of QQ

What's QQ about this? People aren't allowed to dislike tuning into a serious competition to have it ruined by shit they can see on ladder all day? Surprise! People like interesting games!
Wut?
MaleficOR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States315 Posts
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2132
On November 26 2011 22:57 MandoRelease wrote:
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On November 26 2011 22:55 Weemoed wrote:
Can someone tell me in short what build Puma did?


Proxy rax into some helion & cloak banshee off 1 base.
It's a "rush", not an "all-in".


Its a SC2 LR thread, everything is cheese, everything is an all-in, there is always a reason why someone lost jetlag,sick,depressed,on death bed Ect. Ect.
Its ihdra, like the beginning of idiot- IdrA
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2133
Missed Seiplo vs HuK! What happened?
Stork protoss legend
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:06:11
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2134
On November 26 2011 22:54 Alpina wrote:
so sad drg got cheesed


not really as he wouldn't have won by scouting the proxy rax, (also he scouted the the missing racks in time knew whats coming but didn't build a spine for safety, so greedy while it could have been everything, probably felt save because of the early gas and thought proxy hellions) Then attacking the bunker without spine support. because he thought puma would focus the queen and he would get the marines with his lings.

Cheese is a 50/50 win chance if unscouted, being an instant loss when scouted. The exception of this is if the opponent cutting things in favor of eco, changing the 50/50 chance of winning in your favor.

Proxy racks in sc2 aren't really cheese anymore, since you have to build that depot and thanks to buildings flying super fast, you might only lose 1-2 marines if you have to fly home.
I would say it goes under taking a risk to get an advantage.

the term got formed in bw, so we should keep the description or use another term. Or should we call moving the 6 starting workers to the mineral line now Maynert slide ?
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2135
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:01 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.


Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss.

Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa?

The way I see it, is that Nani plays impressive games while he wins, while whenever I see PuMa win, it's with some kind of 1base cheesy allin.

I must say I'm a bit biased against PuMa, but that's how I see it .
It appears I have been chosen.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
November 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#2136
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument


Uhm yes he could -_- It was Code S what MMA was struggling with
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
November 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2137
you guys are all delusional if you think puma isn't one of the top terrans, right below mvp and mma. all you have to do is look at his gameplay and mechanics to know he is one of the best.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2138
On November 26 2011 23:01 skrotcyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


u realize he hasn't been trying to qualify for every code A?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_November/Preliminaries

lost in the first round.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
November 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2139
On November 26 2011 23:01 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.


Or better yet why don't we just use the measurement of there play instead? Picking a top 5 for a race is completely up to a persons perspective. If some people want to use a place in the gsl as the measuring stick more power to them and vice versa if people look at tournament performances as a whole
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2140
Haha Naama the european bit-by-bit .
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