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HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
November 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2161
I missed DRG game. How could he lose? He is the best in the world! BbB all in?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2162
On November 26 2011 23:03 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:01 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.


Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss.

Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa?

The way I see it, is that Nani plays impressive games while he wins, while whenever I see PuMa win, it's with some kind of 1base cheesy allin.

I must say I'm a bit biased against PuMa, but that's how I see it .


Thats just biased.I hate to say it but cheeses will always be used and its a legit strategy although it is bad for spectators.Players just need to do what they need to win .sadly
Play your best
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2163
Naama missed the chance to kill 10 probes
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2164
On November 26 2011 23:05 iamthedave wrote:
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On November 26 2011 23:01 skrotcyk wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


u realize he hasn't been trying to qualify for every code A?


And he needs to to prove himself. The GSL IS the big leagues, and no number of foreign tournament wins will change that.

MMA's pedigree was based largely on GSL Team League performance, then his MLG win and now he's solidified it with an actual GSL championship.

Puma's got a couple of foreign tournament wins and hasn't ever come close to Code S.

It's not that he's not good, but you can't say he's top 5 in the world when he's not competing in the world's most competitive tournament despite ample opportunity to do so.

he has been trying.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_November/Preliminaries

lost in the first round, lol
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2165
This looks like PvT from like 2 months ago. T_T
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
November 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2166
onebasima
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2167
On November 26 2011 23:06 HowardRoark wrote:
I missed DRG game. How could he lose? He is the best in the world! BbB all in?


He lost the series because he allined in game 1 and failed, and couldn't scout g3 cross on terminus, when puma did a cloakshee hellion timing
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2168
On November 26 2011 23:07 Telcontar wrote:
This looks like PvT from like 2 months ago. T_T


more like 6 D:
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2169
On November 26 2011 23:04 Hubris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:01 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.


Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss.

Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa?


To be fair, Naniwa has received a lot of hype that probably wont hold.


Won an MLG, second place in an MLG, TSL 3 and HSC 3 (in which both he "should" have won). What is this "hype" you are talking about? :p
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2170
baww. nightend vs naama game is so sloppy compared to the puma vs drg games we just saw.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2171
uh..I have sympathy for Naama for all the shit he went through with Virus, but his allinish playstyle is really terrible to watch :/
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
November 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2172
I can't believe this is the quarterfinals of one of the biggest tournaments of the year lol
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2173
Why dts instead of hts, he has sooo much gas saved up. it's ridiculous.
It appears I have been chosen.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2174
On November 26 2011 23:06 HowardRoark wrote:
I missed DRG game. How could he lose? He is the best in the world! BbB all in?

In the first game he tried to roach/bling bust and made the mistake of trying it a second time, he would've been fine otherwise.

The third game was a onebase cheese with proxy rax bunker/hellions cloaked banshee which he didn't handle well, he was too greedy
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2175
On November 26 2011 23:05 BronzeKnee wrote:
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On November 26 2011 23:00 mordk wrote:

And he doesn't go too deep in those foreign tournaments when he hits high level koreans. Remember MLG pool play is rather strange always and until deep in the champ bracket you usually get to face only foreigners. PuMa usually gets eliminated early in the "Top 12" range by some korean.

You must also remember that foreigner tournaments normally do not include any degree of specific preparation, unlike GSL, which makes the tournament a lot harder since it means you require a different practice type to be successful.


He beat Losira then Bomber last MLG and ended up losing to Idra last MLG. And in Orlando he took out Polt. At Guangzhou, he took out JYP before losing to Idra. And he knocked out Alive and Clide in NASL Open, before beating MC in the finals, and also beat MC in the finals of Cologne.

He beats a lot of good Koreans in foreign tournaments.

Which is why I rely more on the "type of tournament" argument. I think the way most foreign tournaments are structured don't allow the best skill to be shown, because there's no specific preparation. In the GSL that adds a whole level of depth to the strategizing part of the game.

I agree he sometimes beats good koreans, but that doesn't make him a better player. It's just isolated Bo3s. That says absolutely nothing about a player's skill. Him failing to qualify for Code A on multiple ocasions is a more compelling argument imo, because it's a longer stretch and says that he doesn't have enough consistency to surpass even the first level required to enter the toughest competition.
Andamanen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands915 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2176
Please let Bitter/9 do the ZvZ!
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2177
On November 26 2011 23:08 Asha` wrote:
I can't believe this is the quarterfinals of one of the biggest tournaments of the year lol


It's what happens when 4 of the groups are incredibly stacked
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2178
sees banshee, techs to DTs...sigh...
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
November 26 2011 14:10 GMT
#2179
The best players are knocking each other out in the early rounds. Neither Naama nor Nightend deserve top 4.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:10:31
November 26 2011 14:10 GMT
#2180
On November 26 2011 23:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:08 Asha` wrote:
I can't believe this is the quarterfinals of one of the biggest tournaments of the year lol


It's what happens when 4 of the groups are incredibly stacked

My bad.
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