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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss. Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa? As there are far more far impressive Terrans than there are Protoss. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 Badfatpanda wrote: Who would you say is better? MVP MKP MMA PuMa/Taeja Polt/Bomber maybe 4 and 5 switched Sigh, supernova, happy, and ganzi are still so underrated just because they can't make it to the finals of GSL. | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1351 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:02 VoirDire wrote: Wth are you talking about? Ganzi has won code S and taeja has won 4 korean weekly tournaments? online means shit is going to pop out care | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
They don't enter as much as PuMa. PuMa is worse than most of the Terrans in code S, I'd rank him around Keen's level where, if he was in code A, he'd just be on the cusp of code S but he'd be kept out by the better Terran's coming up through code A taking the spots of the weaker code S players. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss. Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa? To be fair, Naniwa has received a lot of hype that probably wont hold. | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss. Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa? who says im praising Naniwa? | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 ilbh wrote: maybe?? he just beat DRG who has one of the best ZvT in the world. there even aren't more than 5 good terrans in Korea LOL And this thread officially jumped the shark... | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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Coolhwip
Sweden1381 Posts
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 ilbh wrote: maybe?? he just beat DRG who has one of the best ZvT in the world. there even aren't more than 5 good terrans in Korea LOL Holy shit I'd like you to back up that argument. That just melted my brain seriously. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 skrotcyk wrote: u realize he hasn't been trying to qualify for every code A? And he needs to to prove himself. The GSL IS the big leagues, and no number of foreign tournament wins will change that. MMA's pedigree was based largely on GSL Team League performance, then his MLG win and now he's solidified it with an actual GSL championship. Puma's got a couple of foreign tournament wins and hasn't ever come close to Code S. It's not that he's not good, but you can't say he's top 5 in the world when he's not competing in the world's most competitive tournament despite ample opportunity to do so. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 ilbh wrote: maybe?? he just beat DRG who has one of the best ZvT in the world. there even aren't more than 5 good terrans in Korea LOL One bo3 doesn't mean he's instantly 10x better. DRG hasn't had top notch ZvT for the last month or so anyways | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:00 mordk wrote: And he doesn't go too deep in those foreign tournaments when he hits high level koreans. Remember MLG pool play is rather strange always and until deep in the champ bracket you usually get to face only foreigners. PuMa usually gets eliminated early in the "Top 12" range by some korean. You must also remember that foreigner tournaments normally do not include any degree of specific preparation, unlike GSL, which makes the tournament a lot harder since it means you require a different practice type to be successful. He beat Losira then Bomber last MLG and ended up losing to Idra last MLG. In Orlando he took out Polt. At Guangzhou, he took out JYP before losing to Idra. At Raleigh he beat Nada in Pool Play. And he knocked out Alive and Clide in NASL Open, before beating Squirtle, July and MC in the finals, and also beat MC in the finals of Cologne. He beats a lot of good Koreans in foreign tournaments. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:02 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yet people are calling Naniwa a top 5 protoss. Why can we ignore puma achievements yet praise Naniwa? Those people are wrong. You aren't arguing against everyone here: there isn't a collective voice of TeamLiquid opinion which you can point contradictions in. Naniwa isn't "easily" a Top 5 Protoss, anymore than Puma is "easily" a Top 5 Terran, especially considering that some of his achievements (eg IEM) were won in pretty dubious ways (see tree.hugger's argument). | ||
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F-Decoy
France245 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 Badfatpanda wrote: Who would you say is better? MVP MKP MMA PuMa/Taeja Polt/Bomber maybe 4 and 5 switched I'd like to add Jakji to top current terran. | ||
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
Now can we try to understand why Dreamhack's production values have fallen completely? After TB and Apollo were scheduled to be in two places at once everything fell apart. Ret vs Nerchio is supposed to go on now, but Tastosis just said they won't be back until Ro8, and TB/Apollo are still signing. What is happening D: | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:01 ilbh wrote: maybe?? he just beat DRG who has one of the best ZvT in the world. there even aren't more than 5 good terrans in Korea LOL You must not watch GSL if you think there's not 5 good terrans in Korea lol. One Bo3 win doesn't make you a better player. Shit happens, the better player can lose, it happens in every competitive discipline. There are many factors involved. | ||
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abalam
Switzerland316 Posts
i know its not pumas build (didn't know it was bomber 's though). it's just a silly old 1 base build but because people saw puma killing drg with it they might want to try it out on ladder since its pretty easy to do and can outright kill your opponent if he's not prepared. same thing happened on ladder when bomber defeated moon (not sure) in a dreamhack tournament a while ago. suddenly 2 starport banshee every second game against terran... | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:05 1Eris1 wrote: One bo3 doesn't mean he's instantly 10x better. DRG hasn't had top notch ZvT for the last month or so anyways And honestly just look at how the bo3 went down. DRG attempted an all in twice that Puma scouted. Puma won the 3rd game with what I'd consider an all in cheese that got scouted 5 seconds too late. Watch Supernova play against DRG in 6 games. He wins and you know that supernova was the better TvZ player in those games. | ||
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