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Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2101
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


PumA is my favorite player but his TvT isn't top notch so kind a few other that is better them him.
Woop Woop!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2102
Nightend will beat puma now, the upsets arent over in this tournament :p
Terran & Potato Salad.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2103
On November 26 2011 22:57 Mycl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.


He hits Koreans in foreign tournaments thou. I cant help but think people throw the 'only foreign tournaments' trying to say he only beats on scrubs

yeah he doesn't get NEARLY as much credit as he deserves, but not qualifying for GSL in its entirety, especially with how easy they're making it, really puts a dent in his credentials
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2104
ganzi code A victory >nasl and iem victory
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:01:01
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2105
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.


What Terran would you put above Puma? Puma took out Losira and Bomber at the last MLG, who are both Code S players. He beat Polt at MLG Orlando. And he just beat DRG, Huk and Idra.

This is how I see it:

#1 MVP
#2 MMA
#3 MKP
#4 Puma
#5 Bomber
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2106
On November 26 2011 22:54 Hall0wed wrote:
Wow, hate seeing the better player lose to cheese. I hate bo3s, always tend to be less enjoyable games plagued by cheese.


I guess you have not seen the last two games. Puma dominated game 1 completely and was ahead in game 2 until he did that huge mistake. He looked stronger today. He did not cheesed his way to the next round.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2107
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
November 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#2108
On November 26 2011 22:58 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.

Supernova, TOP, MKP


Polt and Jjakji as well.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:00:35
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2109
On November 26 2011 22:58 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.

Supernova, TOP, MKP

gumiho, jjakji,polt, nada...sooo many better terrans
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2110
On November 26 2011 22:59 Grampz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:57 Mycl wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.


He hits Koreans in foreign tournaments thou. I cant help but think people throw the 'only foreign tournaments' trying to say he only beats on scrubs

yeah he doesn't get NEARLY as much credit as he deserves, but not qualifying for GSL in its entirety, especially with how easy they're making it, really puts a dent in his credentials


GSL is the big leagues. It doesn't matter how well you do in foreign tournaments. Look at Naniwa. Allstar abroad and scrub in Korea.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2111
On November 26 2011 22:59 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.


What Terran would you put above Puma? Puma took out Losira and Bomber at the last MLG, who are both Code S players. And he just beat DRG, Huk and Idra.

This is how I see it:

#1 MVP
#2 MMA
#3 MKP
#4 Puma
#5 Bomber

Supernova, sC, and Ganzi are all for sure better than Puma. Then there are a lot of terrans that are around the same level.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2112
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2113
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet


What, Puma hasn't done anything in korea. The only common tournament those players have been at with puma is mlg and puma has never won an mlg. Puma is not even a top 10 terran in korea. There's a reason he hasn't qualified for gsl one time yet even during open seasons.

Puma just has more opportunity than those other players to go to foreign tournaments, so has more international exposure, which tends to blind people into silly statements.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2114
On November 26 2011 22:59 Radook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


PumA is my favorite player but his TvT isn't top notch so kind a few other that is better them him.

His TvT looked pretty good when he beat Bomber and Polt at MLG
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2115
If it was a 11/11 rax proxy , DRG will die even quicker. He was playing very greedy.
Play your best
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:03:33
November 26 2011 14:00 GMT
#2116
On November 26 2011 22:57 Mycl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:55 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.

Failing to qualify for Code A multiple times denies that statement. I know he's not in KR anymore, but playing decently in foreign tournaments doesn't cut it for "Top 5 terran". Maybe Top 10. Maybe.


He hits Koreans in foreign tournaments thou. I cant help but think people throw the 'only foreign tournaments' trying to say he only beats on scrubs

And he doesn't go too deep in those foreign tournaments when he hits high level koreans. Remember MLG pool play is rather strange always and until deep in the champ bracket you usually get to face only foreigners. PuMa usually gets eliminated early in the "Top 12" range by some korean.

You must also remember that foreigner tournaments normally do not include any degree of specific preparation, unlike GSL, which makes the tournament a lot harder since it means you require a different practice type to be successful.

I'll list 10 KR terrans who I think are significantly better than PuMa: MVP, MMA, Polt, MKP, Supernova, jjakji, Ganzi, Taeja, Bomber, Happy.

And the list could go on, there's many mid-tier korean terrans that are about the same level as him, I'd put him there. Certainly not a top KR terran.
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2117
imo puma had a strong all-in build and got lucky(or DRG just got unlucky). proxy rax wasnt scouted by the drone. overlord scout kinda late but still rly strong build by puma
Korean overlords
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2118
On November 26 2011 22:54 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
puma is now a favourite and thus will lose his next match


DH Winter could not be summerized more accurately
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2119
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument


MMA qualified for Code A... he was knocked out and didn't get the chance to REqualify because he did well at MLG.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 26 2011 14:01 GMT
#2120
On November 26 2011 23:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 22:59 andaylin wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:57 Kewlots wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:56 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:54 ambrosiaa wrote:
On November 26 2011 22:53 andaylin wrote:
wow that was unexpected of Puma to win against DRG. of all terrans lol.

i'd say puma is easily top 5 terran in the world.


Bomber, MMA, MVP, Ganzi, Taeja. More that I'm forgetting.

Puma is good, but not easily top 5.



ganzi and taeja havent won shieeet

skill isn't based on the amount of tournaments one has won, sorry. pumas wins are in international tourneys too, while he can't qualify for Code A


MMA couldn't qualify for Code A either, that's an incredibly stupid argument

so is your statement of skill equating to number of international tournament wins.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
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