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wat was annyeong doing with that device in booth?
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On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol.
I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
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OMG MVP control and crisis managment is fucking scary o_o
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
I'd like to see the interview where he says he specifically goes mech because of carpel tunnel issues. I'm not denying he has carpel tunnel, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't change his strategy because of that condition.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol.
Actually he's correct lol.
MVP stated in interviews that mech is easier on his wrists. And if you notice, he's been trying to streamline mech in all his play now, and only pulls out his rapetrain biomech when shit gets serious. Not to mention as a progamer, and especially a trait that MVP has always had, he's got the most variety in builds and playstyles, which is what makes him even more of an amazing player imo. But yeah he's stated multiple times about mech+carpal tunnel, so it's not an ignorant thing to say.
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On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea.
But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 cold- wrote:
wat was annyeong doing with that device in booth?
He was turning up the air conditioning
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
How is it ignorant? Any terran will tell you for a fact it is far far far less APM dependant. Marine tank in TVZ requires a lot of apm, which puts stress on the wrists, how does that not make sense?
If you look in his GSL games vs Nestea, game 5 he went Marine tank, when everything was on the line, and absolutely massacred. Seems like he uses it only when he needs too.
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On November 06 2011 13:50 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. I'd like to see the interview where he says he specifically goes mech because of carpel tunnel issues. I'm not denying he has carpel tunnel, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't change his strategy because of that condition.
Its been in multiple interviews. I'm not going to dig them up for you, but multiple users affirming should be enough.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
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On November 06 2011 13:46 TemplarCo. wrote:
After seeing game 2, how did MVP lose game 1?
AnnYeong choked under the pressure
his banelings hit all the depots at once so the lings couldn't get in, and then hellions came in and cleaned up all the lings
from there mvp capitalized on his huge mistake and roflstomped him pretty easily
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
Teams should probably start providing carpal tunnel protection plans or health benefits related to such problems. 
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On November 06 2011 13:50 kineticSYN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. Actually he's correct lol. MVP stated in interviews that mech is easier on his wrists. And if you notice, he's been trying to streamline mech in all his play now, and only pulls out his rapetrain biomech when shit gets serious. Not to mention as a progamer, and especially a trait that MVP has always had, he's got the most variety in builds and playstyles, which is what makes him even more of an amazing player imo. But yeah he's stated multiple times about mech+carpal tunnel, so it's not an ignorant thing to say.
Oh, then I stand corrected, sorry to who I called ignorant :[ I guess I am the real ignorant one haha.
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On November 06 2011 13:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea. But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach.
You misunderstood; if the zerg is going pure roach/ling he's going to be doing it with drops/nydus and stretching the terran right out - banshees are great at cleaning stuff up in that situation. In straight up engagements they're just some added dps that isn't easily dealt with.
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On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
Oh yeah? How far up your ass did you find that statistic?
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On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
how do you know that?
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You can't really say its because its less apm or whatever. Mech requires less wrist movement, this is a fact. Even in BW, bio vs Zerg was much more micro-intensive and in that sense more demanding on your wrists. Whereas Mech was much more immobile, turtley and the vast majority of your APM was simply going into your macro (production, etc.). Now in SC2 with MBS and being able to hold down keys (which still counts towards your apm) Mech is even easier to pull off (in a sense) because the macro aspect is far less-demanding and you were already doing less to begin with.
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On November 06 2011 13:43 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid. You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less). Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors).
Multiple people?Happy, MVP and gumiho in a couple of games, who else? And iirc their lowest win ratio come from playing mech.
4 thors = 40 marines, no way 40 marines don't kill way the hell more mutas than the thors in any situation and please be my guest and give the mutas to jaedong, your analogy was horrible.
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On November 06 2011 13:53 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel Oh yeah? How far up your ass did you find that statistic?
Go look at some replays of him. And try playing mech yourself
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OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS AWFUL COMMERCIAL/ROCK SONG THING
AAAAAAAAAAAAA MUTE
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