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On October 22 2011 10:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:46 Joe12 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:45 dgdsg wrote:On October 22 2011 10:44 thepantysoaker wrote: how did select take a game off of MVP ffs? NaNi also took a game off him. Impressive, considering they didnt play.... Naniwa took a game off Nestea though, so i suppose that's what he meant.
There have actually been a ton of 2-1's this tournament. Of the 23 series played thus far, only 9 have been 2-0's. Hell, Select even dropped a TvP game to Nifi (whoever the hell that is...guy proceeded to get 2-0'd by Killer).
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Is there a reason I can only see the preview stream?
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best costume ever, a rax.
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On October 22 2011 10:50 MisterTea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote: I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."
I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough. why would you invite some of the best players in the world to a 50000$ event and then show the lower skilled players in the losers bracket of which all zerg players, while the winners bracket continues off stage with the higher quality players and much more viewer potential For the same reason Blizzard picked such a bad map pool.
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On October 22 2011 10:47 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote: I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."
I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough. What did you expect? some of the worst qualities of nerds are entitlement, lack of social skills and narcissism.l Going up to someone who lack social skills and tell them "Hey! You lack social skills" is a sign that you lack social skills
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United States15275 Posts
On October 22 2011 10:51 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:49 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:46 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ. IdrA thinks otherwise Fairly sure he would agree with me. Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball. The only way a 2 base muta rush works is 1. when your opponent is playing defensively 2. you know the game is going to be dragged out 3. you're using the muta's map control as a stepping stone to something else Not really the case, ling bling destroys hydras really fast and attacking cross-map into spine crawlers is difficult for zerg. It is a flimsy style, but ive seen it work with suprising frequency Well the only counter to muta play is to go pure hydra so I can see... no. Cost for cost, hydras are far more vunerable to banelings than marines are. They do horribly vs speedlings too, which happen to have around double their movement speed. I dont want to argue about ZvZ styles, but i know for a fact a lot of GM zergs have been using mutas recently with some success, IdrA included on his stream
I find it rather silly that your argument consists of "ling bling is good against hydras", as if hydras compose the core part of any widely-used zerg army.
There are many different styles, and I am merely pointing out the huge flaw in one of them. In this case the "I will tech to mutas after failed aggression" 2 base strategy.
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The game selection has literally made this the worst tournament of all time. Even worse than MLG Dallas.
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On October 22 2011 10:53 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:47 windsupernova wrote:On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote: I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."
I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough. What did you expect? some of the worst qualities of nerds are entitlement, lack of social skills and narcissism.l Going up to someone who lack social skills and tell them "Hey! You lack social skills" is a sign that you lack social skills 
Ok? XD
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Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember...
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sigh, i really hoped killer won, anyways he got a good placement, so Im happy anyways ^^ NesTea Fighting!! gogo I know you can finally beat Mvp!!
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On October 22 2011 10:49 Smurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote: I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."
I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough. 1. Because those were the games we were expecting to see. 2. Those are the players who generate the most excitement. 3. They are in the WINNER's Bracket and normally the winners are shown priority. plus the norm is to broadcast games that most people want to see.
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On October 22 2011 10:55 Xcobidoo wrote: Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember...
Naniwa vs major. The 1st game of the tournament actually
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Is Match Six gonna be Nestea vs Mvp ?? whaat
Mvp must be so tired and they are gonna make him play another match and then he has to play MMa in GSL finals ..... MMa must be so privileged , fully rested.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 22 2011 10:46 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ. IdrA thinks otherwise Fairly sure he would agree with me. Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball. The only way a 2 base muta rush works is 1. when your opponent is playing defensively 2. you know the game is going to be dragged out 3. you're using the muta's map control as a stepping stone to something else Not really the case, ling bling destroys hydras really fast and attacking cross-map into spine crawlers is difficult for zerg. It is a flimsy style, but ive seen it work with suprising frequency Muta ling is pretty much standard at the level I'm playing at. (NA GM / High Masters). Mutas are good because it allows me to take a 3rd and maybe even a 4th base while the non-muta user is stuck on 2.
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On October 22 2011 10:57 Rykros wrote: Is Match Six gonna be Nestea vs Mvp ?? whaat
Mvp must be so tired and they are gonna make him play another match and then he has to play MMa in GSL finals ..... MMa must be so privileged , fully rested.
Nestea vs MVP will be tomorrow
E: Oops
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On October 22 2011 10:56 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:55 Xcobidoo wrote: Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember... Naniwa vs major. The 1st game of the tournament actually
The one on Antiga? I wouldn't count that, Antiga isn't a TERRIBLE map on side-positions, not nearly as bad as Shattered Temple.
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On October 22 2011 10:46 j0ker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ. IdrA thinks otherwise Fairly sure he would agree with me. Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball. its not nearly as simple as that. mutas come faster than hydras, especially if the other zerg invested a lot into roaches. mutas hitting the field result in an almost certain supply block for the other zerg, and a pretty heavy one at that. spores have to frantically be placed and the entire map belongs to the muta player. he can then drone and expand while harassing and tech to whatever composition he likes. the only surefire way to take back control from a player that went muta is to go muta in response with a better economy. hydras are eventually the answer but you cant just walk across the map and kill him in response to mutas, especially considering the speed of hydras. problem of mutas is popular early roach timing/fast +1 timing/roach bane timing,
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my god blizzard is horrible at this.
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On October 22 2011 10:54 ClysmiC wrote: The game selection has literally made this the worst tournament of all time. Even worse than MLG Dallas.
Quote from Dustin Browder in the Blizzcon multiplayer panel:
It is upto MLG on when they want to switch over. Dustin Browder leavng it upto community as community has built e-sports not Blizz
Solution: leave the damn Blizzcon tournament organization to the community.
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