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Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 22 2011 01:52 GMT
#4401
On October 22 2011 10:48 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:46 Joe12 wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:45 dgdsg wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:44 thepantysoaker wrote:
how did select take a game off of MVP ffs?


NaNi also took a game off him.


Impressive, considering they didnt play....

Naniwa took a game off Nestea though, so i suppose that's what he meant.


There have actually been a ton of 2-1's this tournament. Of the 23 series played thus far, only 9 have been 2-0's. Hell, Select even dropped a TvP game to Nifi (whoever the hell that is...guy proceeded to get 2-0'd by Killer).
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 22 2011 01:53 GMT
#4402
Is there a reason I can only see the preview stream?
stu >)
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 22 2011 01:53 GMT
#4403
best costume ever, a rax.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
October 22 2011 01:53 GMT
#4404
On October 22 2011 10:50 MisterTea wrote:
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On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote:
I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."

I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough.

why would you invite some of the best players in the world to a 50000$ event and then show the lower skilled players in the losers bracket of which all zerg players, while the winners bracket continues off stage with the higher quality players and much more viewer potential

For the same reason Blizzard picked such a bad map pool.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
October 22 2011 01:53 GMT
#4405
On October 22 2011 10:47 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote:
I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."

I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough.


What did you expect? some of the worst qualities of nerds are entitlement, lack of social skills and narcissism.l

Going up to someone who lack social skills and tell them "Hey! You lack social skills" is a sign that you lack social skills
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
October 22 2011 01:54 GMT
#4406
On October 22 2011 10:51 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:49 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:46 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ.



IdrA thinks otherwise


Fairly sure he would agree with me.



Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him


Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball.

The only way a 2 base muta rush works is

1. when your opponent is playing defensively
2. you know the game is going to be dragged out
3. you're using the muta's map control as a stepping stone to something else



Not really the case, ling bling destroys hydras really fast and attacking cross-map into spine crawlers is difficult for zerg.


It is a flimsy style, but ive seen it work with suprising frequency


Well the only counter to muta play is to go pure hydra so I can see...

no.




Cost for cost, hydras are far more vunerable to banelings than marines are.


They do horribly vs speedlings too, which happen to have around double their movement speed.



I dont want to argue about ZvZ styles, but i know for a fact a lot of GM zergs have been using mutas recently with some success, IdrA included on his stream


I find it rather silly that your argument consists of "ling bling is good against hydras", as if hydras compose the core part of any widely-used zerg army.

There are many different styles, and I am merely pointing out the huge flaw in one of them. In this case the "I will tech to mutas after failed aggression" 2 base strategy.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
October 22 2011 01:54 GMT
#4407
Man fuck wizard cleave
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
October 22 2011 01:54 GMT
#4408
The game selection has literally made this the worst tournament of all time. Even worse than MLG Dallas.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 22 2011 01:54 GMT
#4409
On October 22 2011 10:53 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:47 windsupernova wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote:
I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."

I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough.


What did you expect? some of the worst qualities of nerds are entitlement, lack of social skills and narcissism.l

Going up to someone who lack social skills and tell them "Hey! You lack social skills" is a sign that you lack social skills


Ok? XD
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 22 2011 01:55 GMT
#4410
Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember...
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Herr Wilhelm
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile170 Posts
October 22 2011 01:56 GMT
#4411
sigh, i really hoped killer won, anyways he got a good placement, so Im happy anyways ^^
NesTea Fighting!! gogo I know you can finally beat Mvp!!
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
October 22 2011 01:56 GMT
#4412
On October 22 2011 10:49 Smurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:45 MonkSEA wrote:
I'm laughing on Reddit that everyone is bitching about not seeing MVP/NesTea play. I didn't know Blizzard owed people footage of these two playing. It's disappointing, I can agree with that but everyone is acting like they deserve to see it, even when half their post contains "I'm so glad I didn't pay $40 for this shit."

I'm glad most of that is gone from TL with all the 12-14 year olds that went to bed. Why can't people just appreciate the play they get to see in front of them rather then cry about not seeing two other players play, which they will indubitably see soon enough.


1. Because those were the games we were expecting to see.
2. Those are the players who generate the most excitement.
3. They are in the WINNER's Bracket and normally the winners are shown priority.

plus the norm is to broadcast games that most people want to see.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 22 2011 01:56 GMT
#4413
On October 22 2011 10:55 Xcobidoo wrote:
Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember...


Naniwa vs major. The 1st game of the tournament actually
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Rykros
Profile Joined May 2011
483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:57:24
October 22 2011 01:57 GMT
#4414
Is Match Six gonna be Nestea vs Mvp ?? whaat

Mvp must be so tired and they are gonna make him play another match and then he has to play MMa in GSL finals .....
MMa must be so privileged , fully rested.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
October 22 2011 01:57 GMT
#4415
On October 22 2011 10:46 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ.



IdrA thinks otherwise


Fairly sure he would agree with me.



Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him


Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball.

The only way a 2 base muta rush works is

1. when your opponent is playing defensively
2. you know the game is going to be dragged out
3. you're using the muta's map control as a stepping stone to something else



Not really the case, ling bling destroys hydras really fast and attacking cross-map into spine crawlers is difficult for zerg.


It is a flimsy style, but ive seen it work with suprising frequency

Muta ling is pretty much standard at the level I'm playing at. (NA GM / High Masters). Mutas are good because it allows me to take a 3rd and maybe even a 4th base while the non-muta user is stuck on 2.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:58:03
October 22 2011 01:57 GMT
#4416
On October 22 2011 10:57 Rykros wrote:
Is Match Six gonna be Nestea vs Mvp ?? whaat

Mvp must be so tired and they are gonna make him play another match and then he has to play MMa in GSL finals .....
MMa must be so privileged , fully rested.


Nestea vs MVP will be tomorrow

E: Oops
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
October 22 2011 01:57 GMT
#4417
On October 22 2011 10:56 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:55 Xcobidoo wrote:
Hmm, have we seen any close pos yet in this tournament? Can't remember...


Naniwa vs major. The 1st game of the tournament actually


The one on Antiga? I wouldn't count that, Antiga isn't a TERRIBLE map on side-positions, not nearly as bad as Shattered Temple.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
October 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#4418
On October 22 2011 10:46 j0ker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:38 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:22 Cyro wrote:
On October 22 2011 10:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Did Killer really believe he was that far behind? 2 base muta is in general a terrible strategy in ZvZ.



IdrA thinks otherwise


Fairly sure he would agree with me.



Well ive seen him go 2 base muta 5-10 times quite recently, he says that hydralisks with their low speed dont really counter mutas (you give up map control completely) and infestors are worthless vs split mutas, etc, the only way to effectively counter mutas is to have more mutas than him


Or make a simple roach/hydra timing push and smash your enemy before he can build a sufficient muta ball.


its not nearly as simple as that. mutas come faster than hydras, especially if the other zerg invested a lot into roaches. mutas hitting the field result in an almost certain supply block for the other zerg, and a pretty heavy one at that. spores have to frantically be placed and the entire map belongs to the muta player. he can then drone and expand while harassing and tech to whatever composition he likes. the only surefire way to take back control from a player that went muta is to go muta in response with a better economy. hydras are eventually the answer but you cant just walk across the map and kill him in response to mutas, especially considering the speed of hydras.

problem of mutas is popular early roach timing/fast +1 timing/roach bane timing,
Stork[gm]
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
October 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#4419
my god blizzard is horrible at this.
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
October 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#4420
On October 22 2011 10:54 ClysmiC wrote:
The game selection has literally made this the worst tournament of all time. Even worse than MLG Dallas.


Quote from Dustin Browder in the Blizzcon multiplayer panel:
It is upto MLG on when they want to switch over. Dustin Browder leavng it upto community as community has built e-sports not Blizz


Solution: leave the damn Blizzcon tournament organization to the community.
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