On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote: [quote] Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise
Tyler gets his first gas
Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core.
KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas.
Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler.
Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4.
Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR.
Double drop coming for KR. Getting some probes and getting Tyler's Forge! KR getting +1 Attack at the same time and kills Tyler's obs. Tyler continuing Collo production and getting another Forge.
Kawaii kinda messes up his split-drop timing, but manages to get some probes anyway. 20 Probes killed this game. Another drop gets averted while another one hops in and gets more probes. KR up 30 supply after some nice drop play.
Tyler getting +1 Attack, a Stargate and Charge. +1 Attack finishes and Tyler starts Armor again.
Tyler needs to get som vision on that side of his base. KR sniping a Collossus! KR running in with Marines and Marauders. 65 supply up on Tyler. Templar Archives up for Tyler and he's getting his +2 Attack. Kawaii getting his third and +1 Armor and more baracks.
Tyler getting his third. A lot of Viking out for KR. Ghosts and HTs coming out on the field. Tyler getting Immortals.
BIG ENGAGEMENT. KR wrecks Tyler's army and pushes him back. Looks like KR will win this game.
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here.
Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA.
He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English.
Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it.
Evidently from constant bickering there is actually no such lingo in place, there are some that want it to be so and others that do not, so no reason to get used to lingo that just few people in the sub-culture use. Even more evidenced by the fact that casters for example do not use it.
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
And my argument was that that shorthand is useless and even more, actually bad. The only plus is it saves you few syllables. Problem is it creates misunderstanding with anyone not using this lingo and it unnecessarily simplifies everything. Canadian training in Korea actually provides much more information on the correct state of the world and allows us to distinguish more than two groups of people.
That's the point of every slang and every deviant language. It's called exfoliation.
Really? Then why is it I have such poor skin?
because your skin is suffering from slang obviously.
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
Yeah, it really makes me sad because I love InControl, but the results just aren't there. Great personality though and this is probably just a ridiculous slump.
He's been getting worse with every MLG. I think he needs to seriously reconsider his play style if wants results. Clearly what he is currently doing is not working.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA?
If he stays in the US for long enough, yes.
I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though.
???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you.
BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
Actually in soccer ( football), sometimes South American players are considered European if they play in European leagues. This is reflected in Ballon d'Or. The award is called European Footballer of the Year. The award was abolished a few years ago though to combine with FIFA's but was a highly prestigious award.
So who was 2008's European Footballer of The Year ? Lionel Messi was despite him being from Argentina. Who was 2002's? Ronaldo! ( The Phenomenon!)
I agree with you though this is a silly discusson. Just playing devil's advocate
The award doesn't mean he's considered european, it just means he plays in european leagues. Nobody considers him european man, at least nobody who watches football seriously. Usually the "nationality" of a football player is that of the national team he plays for.
On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote: [quote] Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA?
If he stays in the US for long enough, yes.
I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though.
???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you.
BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there. but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah
Messi could've played for spain, but he choose argentina. Because he feels like he belongs in argentina. The country sees him as an argentine. So he is argentine, despite what people say.
countryman sure
but the flavo(u)r of his play, i'd say he's more considered european of course us europeans would agree. i guess at that point like with huk everybody just finds some kind of 'loophole' to integrate a great player into his sphere
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA?
If he stays in the US for long enough, yes.
I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though.
???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you.
BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
Actually in soccer ( football), sometimes South American players are considered European if they play in European leagues. This is reflected in Ballon d'Or. The award is called European Footballer of the Year. The award was abolished a few years ago though to combine with FIFA's but was a highly prestigious award.
So who was 2008's European Footballer of The Year ? Lionel Messi was despite him being from Argentina. Who was 2002's? Ronaldo! ( The Phenomenon!)
I agree with you though this is a silly discusson. Just playing devil's advocate
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
All the money invested in to EG house,and he's just horrible. he isnt having a slump iNcontroL he's never won anything since beta and he's winrate is just like that
@EG House
IdrA, Machine, Axslav, and Strifecro all improved.
IdrA... is IdrA, I actually expect Machine to win some matches when he plays, and both Axslav and Strifecro won their IEM NY qualifiers.
Not sure what's going on with iNcontroL though. I like the guy, but he's not winning.
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here.
Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA.
He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English.
Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it.
Evidently from constant bickering there is actually no such lingo in place, there are some that want it to be so and others that do not, so no reason to get used to lingo that just few people in the sub-culture use. Even more evidenced by the fact that casters for example do not use it.
why are you nitpicking ? You get what he was implying. Why does it matter ? Your very clever we get it good job.
On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote: [quote]
Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core.
KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas.
Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler.
Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4.
Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR.
Double drop coming for KR. Getting some probes and getting Tyler's Forge! KR getting +1 Attack at the same time and kills Tyler's obs. Tyler continuing Collo production and getting another Forge.
Kawaii kinda messes up his split-drop timing, but manages to get some probes anyway. 20 Probes killed this game. Another drop gets averted while another one hops in and gets more probes. KR up 30 supply after some nice drop play.
Tyler getting +1 Attack, a Stargate and Charge. +1 Attack finishes and Tyler starts Armor again.
Tyler needs to get som vision on that side of his base. KR sniping a Collossus! KR running in with Marines and Marauders. 65 supply up on Tyler. Templar Archives up for Tyler and he's getting his +2 Attack. Kawaii getting his third and +1 Armor and more baracks.
Tyler getting his third. A lot of Viking out for KR. Ghosts and HTs coming out on the field. Tyler getting Immortals.
BIG ENGAGEMENT. KR wrecks Tyler's army and pushes him back. Looks like KR will win this game.
KR getting more upgrades. Tyler is very dead. Just waiting for the GG. Probably scheming some stuf for game three. My stream is lagging hard as Tyler GGs! 1-1 after KR beats Tyler on Shakuras.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA?
If he stays in the US for long enough, yes.
I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though.
???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you.
BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there. but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah
Messi could've played for spain, but he choose argentina. Because he feels like he belongs in argentina. The country sees him as an argentine. So he is argentine, despite what people say.
countryman sure
but the flavo(u)r of his play, i'd say he's more considered european of course us europeans would agree. i guess at that point like with huk everybody just finds some kind of 'loophole' to integrate a great player into his sphere
No countryman, PLAYER. He considers himself a argentine football player, that's why he plays for argentina national squad. Another example: Deco is brazilian born, but he is a portuguese player, because he played for portugal national squad. Same with tiago motta. Same with thiago alcântara. And a lot of other players.
On October 16 2011 11:48 Clank wrote: why do toss always go stargate vs zerg? I havent seen that work in a long time
Forces defensive units beyond mass zerglings. Keeps zerg in base. Helps scout. Denies over-expansion. Etc.
I think it's still the most solid opening in PvZ following a FFE. But because it was used so much, zerg began to learn just to blind expect it and built early evo chambers they wouldnt even upgrade from =/
EPT
Great personality though and this is probably just a ridiculous slump.
iNcontroL he's never won anything since beta and he's winrate is just like that
