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Does anyone know if SotG is on tonight?
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KawaiiRice seems poised to take Game 2 from Tyler.
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On October 16 2011 11:40 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. And my argument was that that shorthand is useless and even more, actually bad. The only plus is it saves you few syllables. Problem is it creates misunderstanding with anyone not using this lingo and it unnecessarily simplifies everything. Canadian training in Korea actually provides much more information on the correct state of the world and allows us to distinguish more than two groups of people.
That's the point of every slang and every deviant language. It's called exfoliation.
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Incontrol in the past three MLG's:
Anaheim: 4-13 (2-1 Choya, 1-2 Sjow, 1-2 TLO)
Raleigh: 3-12 (2-0 Drewbie, 1-2 Machine)
Orlando: 1-12 (1-2 Sheth)
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
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On October 16 2011 11:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:39 Mysticesper wrote:On October 16 2011 11:37 Azarkon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
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Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it. When will people realize that TL is not a single sub-culture. Casters in MLG use the term "foreigner" when describing HuK. Expect to see it a lot on TL LR threads, and expect people to not budge on using it that way. TL, MLG, etc.. and just extending it to starcraft in general, is a sub-culture. It's a worldwide one, not just a regional one. There's the SC sub-culture, and then there's TL sub-culture, and then there's the sub-culture of TL that believes HuK is a foreigner and the sub-culture of TL that believes HuK is a Korean. It's a meaningless semantic argument just like the argument over whether HuK is Korean. Useless.
arguing is in itself never useless!
bad boy
that's like saying there are stupid questions!
the nerve!
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On October 16 2011 11:43 Fionn wrote:
Incontrol in the past three MLG's:
Anaheim: 4-13 (2-1 Choya, 1-2 Sjow, 1-2 TLO)
Raleigh: 3-12 (2-0 Drewbie, 1-2 Machine)
Orlando: 1-12 (1-2 Sheth)
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
Yeah, it really makes me sad because I love InControl, but the results just aren't there.  Great personality though and this is probably just a ridiculous slump.
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Cheer cannon = Great Orgasms.
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On October 16 2011 11:43 Fionn wrote:
Incontrol in the past three MLG's:
Anaheim: 4-13 (2-1 Choya, 1-2 Sjow, 1-2 TLO)
Raleigh: 3-12 (2-0 Drewbie, 1-2 Machine)
Orlando: 1-12 (1-2 Sheth)
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
All the money invested in to EG house,and he's just horrible.
he isnt having a slump  iNcontroL he's never won anything since beta and he's winrate is just like that
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On October 16 2011 11:42 Shurayuki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
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Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me. that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there. but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah
Nah, he's still argentinian. Just go ask him or his countrymen, or his teammates. In football it doesn't work like that. He was pretty much raised in Spain, but it doesn't matter, no one here considers him a spaniard. I understand his play might have some properties gained with the euro training, but that means nothing as to whether we consider him south american or european. If he got his Spanish citizenship and decided to switch to spanish national team, it would change the situation.
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On October 16 2011 11:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:40 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. And my argument was that that shorthand is useless and even more, actually bad. The only plus is it saves you few syllables. Problem is it creates misunderstanding with anyone not using this lingo and it unnecessarily simplifies everything. Canadian training in Korea actually provides much more information on the correct state of the world and allows us to distinguish more than two groups of people. That's the point of every slang and every deviant language. It's called exfoliation.
Really? Then why is it I have such poor skin?
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On October 16 2011 11:43 Fionn wrote:
Incontrol in the past three MLG's:
Anaheim: 4-13 (2-1 Choya, 1-2 Sjow, 1-2 TLO)
Raleigh: 3-12 (2-0 Drewbie, 1-2 Machine)
Orlando: 1-12 (1-2 Sheth)
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
yea but this is also why people don't want him in pool play at all, and yes i know it is being remade but hopefully no holes in the new system that allow such a thing to happen again.
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On October 16 2011 11:43 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:39 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:38 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:37 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas. Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler. Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4. Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR. Double drop coming for KR. Getting some probes and getting Tyler's Forge! KR getting +1 Attack at the same time and kills Tyler's obs. Tyler continuing Collo production and getting another Forge. Kawaii kinda messes up his split-drop timing, but manages to get some probes anyway. 20 Probes killed this game. Another drop gets averted while another one hops in and gets more probes. KR up 30 supply after some nice drop play.
Tyler getting +1 Attack, a Stargate and Charge. +1 Attack finishes and Tyler starts Armor again.
Tyler needs to get som vision on that side of his base. KR sniping a Collossus! KR running in with Marines and Marauders. 65 supply up on Tyler. Templar Archives up for Tyler and he's getting his +2 Attack. Kawaii getting his third and +1 Armor and more baracks.
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On October 16 2011 11:43 Fionn wrote:
Incontrol in the past three MLG's:
Anaheim: 4-13 (2-1 Choya, 1-2 Sjow, 1-2 TLO)
Raleigh: 3-12 (2-0 Drewbie, 1-2 Machine)
Orlando: 1-12 (1-2 Sheth)
So, all together, 8-37 and only has two series wins. The win against Choya is impressive, though. I guess. He also had pretty hard competition.
Who on earth has had an easy group then?
Tyler 1 - 1 KR
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On October 16 2011 11:42 Shurayuki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
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Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me. that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there. but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah
Messi could've played for spain, but he choose argentina. Because he feels like he belongs in argentina. The country sees him as an argentine. So he is argentine, despite what people say.
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On October 16 2011 11:43 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
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Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me. Actually in soccer ( football), sometimes South American players are considered European if they play in European leagues. This is reflected in Ballon d'Or. The award is called European Footballer of the Year. The award was abolished a few years ago though to combine with FIFA's but was a highly prestigious award. So who was 2008's European Footballer of The Year ? Lionel Messi was despite him being from Argentina. Who was 2002's? Ronaldo! ( The Phenomenon!) I agree with you though this is a silly discusson. Just playing devil's advocate
nice we basically wrote the same post
except mine is stoopid because it's 5AM and i've watched like a lifetime of SC the last week >_>
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yay <3 kawaiirice ties it up 1-1 with tyler
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On October 16 2011 11:45 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:43 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:39 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:38 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:37 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas. Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler. Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4. Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR. Double drop coming for KR. Getting some probes and getting Tyler's Forge! KR getting +1 Attack at the same time and kills Tyler's obs. Tyler continuing Collo production and getting another Forge. Kawaii kinda messes up his split-drop timing, but manages to get some probes anyway. 20 Probes killed this game. Another drop gets averted while another one hops in and gets more probes. KR up 30 supply after some nice drop play. Tyler getting +1 Attack, a Stargate and Charge. +1 Attack finishes and Tyler starts Armor again. Tyler needs to get som vision on that side of his base. KR sniping a Collossus! KR running in with Marines and Marauders. 65 supply up on Tyler. Templar Archives up for Tyler and he's getting his +2 Attack. Kawaii getting his third and +1 Armor and more baracks.
Tyler getting his third. A lot of Viking out for KR. Ghosts and HTs coming out on the field. Tyler getting Immortals.
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On October 16 2011 11:45 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:42 Shurayuki wrote:On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
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Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me. that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there. but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah Nah, he's still argentinian. Just go ask him or his countrymen, or his teammates. In football it doesn't work like that. He was pretty much raised in Spain, but it doesn't matter, no one here considers him a spaniard. I understand his play might have some properties gained with the euro training, but that means nothing as to whether we consider him south american or european.
Well he's considered sorta Spanish since he moved so young but anywho. Argentina has never really warmed to him.
He was so good last night :drool: Little genius.
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On October 16 2011 11:45 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 16 2011 11:40 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. And my argument was that that shorthand is useless and even more, actually bad. The only plus is it saves you few syllables. Problem is it creates misunderstanding with anyone not using this lingo and it unnecessarily simplifies everything. Canadian training in Korea actually provides much more information on the correct state of the world and allows us to distinguish more than two groups of people. That's the point of every slang and every deviant language. It's called exfoliation. Really? Then why is it I have such poor skin?
lol wrong word
The correct word is exformation.
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