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On October 16 2011 11:38 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 poorcloud wrote:On October 16 2011 11:32 Derez wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 humbre wrote:On October 16 2011 11:29 Derez wrote:On October 16 2011 11:28 humbre wrote:
standard polt
hiting most random timings and crushing toss This was the most basic timing ever. not on this map and not cross position That's entirely true yea. Any protoss with 1 gate FE will be able to hold this albeit with some probe losses. Incontrol just got owned by one of the most standard builds ever. If you're actually wondering why inc lost, he built his robo before the 2 gates. The normal 1 gate expo build gets 2 gates before robo (sometimes on 28, sometimes 30, sometimes as late as 34 depending on what units you want to get out).
Yeah MC lost like that on...XNF I think it was. Also against Polt's usual 2rax.
You have to do 1gate straight into robo if you want to have a prayer against the 1-1-1 though, so..
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On October 16 2011 11:36 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it.
The definition on this site means that if you are a foreigner in Korea you are a foreigner until you win then you are Korean but if you start losing you become a foreigner again.
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On October 16 2011 11:38 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 Engore wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:31 Engore wrote:
Damn! Really wish Geoff would have a good showing this tournament. Oh well hopefully he can recover and find his way out of this slump soon. Really love you brother, keep up the hard work it will pay off. Sadly, I think this is way past a "slump", it's just his level. I'm not hating but it's pretty clear he doesn't belong in pool play. It's just how the system works though. Besides him finishing 4th at Dallas this year. I mean the majority of people in the pools you could say don't belong compared to the koreans. He wiped the floor with TLO at Dallas yet he continues to be in pools too. Tyler got grandfathered in after some people didn't come to this event. He has been to all the events consistently and deserves his pool spot regardless of what people think. If other people want a spot they should come to every event and get there. Geoff just has a mental block right now. Doesn't help that protoss is one of the weaker races right now. Also Geoff's group was considered one of the hardest groups. But it's been going on for too long, and it's been happening in every time incontrol shows up. I haven't seen him win in ages, it doesn't seem like a slump to me.
It might not be. He is better than this though, just not showing it. I have a hard time believing he isn't better.
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Holy crap, that is so many lings.
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i love it
that's how I always try to play, right down to the macro hatch placement.
love it that a pro is doing it to.
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Aww yeah Slush!! Come on take the series!
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i wish zerglings were that good in ZvT 
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Ah, Slush plays one of my favourite ZvP styles. :X
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On October 16 2011 11:39 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 Azarkon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
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Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it. When will people realize that TL is not a single sub-culture. Casters in MLG use the term "foreigner" when describing HuK. Expect to see it a lot on TL LR threads, and expect people to not budge on using it that way. TL, MLG, etc.. and just extending it to starcraft in general, is a sub-culture. It's a worldwide one, not just a regional one.
There's the SC sub-culture, and then there's TL sub-culture, and then there's the sub-culture of TL that believes HuK is a foreigner and the sub-culture of TL that believes HuK is a Korean. It's a meaningless semantic argument just like the argument over whether HuK is Korean. Useless.
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hahaha that was a funny one :D
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Lol Slush. Never seen that before. Really cool build.
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Stephano won 2-0 against Drewbie ! Go Pink Power 
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On October 16 2011 11:36 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:35 Whitewing wrote:
Well, that was a dumb build by Inori. not so much the build, just the fact that he didn't hold the lings in.
Going straight to DT's as fast as possible is pretty cheesy, one overlord going in to scout and it's GG, and you have no defense and no units. Trying to expand right then was silly as well.
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On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
that's not true even though most likely they will retain the style of where they learned football so people keep referring to that. actually football pros get second and third citicenships all the time for playing in countries long enough! (and/or special ones to be able to play for national teams). it's just semantics again at this point as in that context it never refers to actual nationality youÄ're of course right there.
but even for players like messi he's a 'spanish' player now because he played at barca for the most significant time so yeah
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On October 16 2011 11:41 oogieogie wrote:i wish zerglings were that good in ZvT
You need to watch Stephano.
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On October 16 2011 11:39 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:38 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:37 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas. Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler. Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4. Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR.
Double drop coming for KR. Getting some probes and getting Tyler's Forge! KR getting +1 Attack at the same time and kills Tyler's obs. Tyler continuing Collo production and getting another Forge.
Kawaii kinda messes up his split-drop timing, but manages to get some probes anyway. 20 Probes killed this game. Another drop gets averted while another one hops in and gets more probes. KR up 30 supply after some nice drop play.
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On October 16 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though. ???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you. BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
Actually in soccer ( football), sometimes South American players are considered European if they play in European leagues. This is reflected in Ballon d'Or. The award is called European Footballer of the Year. The award was abolished a few years ago though to combine with FIFA's but was a highly prestigious award.
So who was 2008's European Footballer of The Year ? Lionel Messi was despite him being from Argentina. Who was 2002's? Ronaldo! ( The Phenomenon!)
I agree with you though this is a silly discusson. Just playing devil's advocate
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