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Whoa I thought KR was quite ahead last game when I afked for a bit, but Tyler won! Come on Slush and Tyler!
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On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas.
Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler.
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On October 16 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:31 Engore wrote:
Damn! Really wish Geoff would have a good showing this tournament. Oh well hopefully he can recover and find his way out of this slump soon. Really love you brother, keep up the hard work it will pay off. Sadly, I think this is way past a "slump", it's just his level. I'm not hating but it's pretty clear he doesn't belong in pool play. It's just how the system works though.
Besides him finishing 4th at Dallas this year. I mean the majority of people in the pools you could say don't belong compared to the koreans. He wiped the floor with TLO at Dallas yet he continues to be in pools too. Tyler got grandfathered in after some people didn't come to this event. He has been to all the events consistently and deserves his pool spot regardless of what people think. If other people want a spot they should come to every event and get there.
Geoff just has a mental block right now. Doesn't help that protoss is one of the weaker races right now. Also Geoff's group was considered one of the hardest groups.
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On October 16 2011 11:33 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:30 Clank wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. so by that logic rain is now a foreigner? Since he now lives and trains in the US? Do dirk nowitski, tony parker, pau gasol, etc. become american when they go to the NBA? If he stays in the US for long enough, yes. I'm not familiar with basketball, sorry. In football there is a clear distinction made between, for example, South American players who stay in the local leagues vs those who go to Europe. There's no similar terminology though.
???... South American soccer players will always be South American no matter how long they stay in Europe. It's just the consensus that a player's true explosion is found in the best level, in soccer's case, that's european leagues. But in soccer a player never "becomes european", unless he actually changes nationalities. Or maybe I just misread you.
BTW, I think this is one of the silliest discussions in all of TL. Why would a player change nationalities LOL. He's getting the best training, but he's still representing his home country. It seems like the inverse situation is consensus in SC, but it seems silly to me.
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On October 16 2011 11:32 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:29 Shurayuki wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms. it's a compliment even, i don't get why people get so defense about it? because that's basically taking one of if not the best 'foreigner' away? Its just stupid thou. People who like to sit on the side that Koreans are the outright best in this game have the opinion that for foreigners to compete they need to go to Korea. So our top foreigners go to Korea but if they stay to long they suddenly will be known as Koreans themselves. If this is truly the way the community wants to go its time to take the definition to the next level and specify at what point does an American/European become a Korean.
it's not like this is a SC or even sports thing though
even many writers for example once they have lived or toured other countries long enough are often considered to belong to a different sphere of culture (for ecxample critics love to say Haruki Murakami is basically a western author, even though a friend of mine likes to disagree very strongly)
i don't feel very strongly about it honestly, it doesn't hurt anybody and i doubt the players really care
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On October 16 2011 11:36 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it.
When will people realize that TL is not a single sub-culture.
Casters in MLG use the term "foreigner" when describing HuK. Expect to see it a lot on TL LR threads, and expect people to not budge on using it that way.
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On October 16 2011 11:32 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:31 minhbq299 wrote:
OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
Every time I see @WhiteRaSC I'm in awe. Inori was late so he lost his first match, WhiteRa wanted the match to start 0-0.
Wow so manner. Please get whitera in for Providence, he can fare much better than Tyler and Incontrol, Tlo, Drewbie, He has been consistently making out of the open bracket, but still not getting enough point.
More special tactik pleasssssssssse. white-ra was on the other side of that, where he was bumped into losers bracket over being late. He probably doesn't like it very much. But yes, much respect to white-ra
Didn't he meet the guy he "lost" to in the lower bracket later, and his opponent killed his own CC twice to make it even?
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On October 16 2011 11:33 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:32 Derez wrote:On October 16 2011 11:30 humbre wrote:On October 16 2011 11:29 Derez wrote:On October 16 2011 11:28 humbre wrote:
standard polt
hiting most random timings and crushing toss This was the most basic timing ever. not on this map and not cross position That's entirely true yea. Any protoss with 1 gate FE will be able to hold this albeit with some probe losses. Incontrol just got owned by one of the most standard builds ever.
If you're actually wondering why inc lost, he built his robo before the 2 gates. The normal 1 gate expo build gets 2 gates before robo (sometimes on 28, sometimes 30, sometimes as late as 34 depending on what units you want to get out).
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On October 16 2011 11:33 railstay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:23 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 11:18 railstay wrote:On October 16 2011 10:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 16 2011 10:43 Zeroxk wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 DystopiaX wrote:On October 16 2011 10:38 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 10:36 DystopiaX wrote:On October 16 2011 10:35 Ausfailia wrote:
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Why, were you not entertained by that game? Why does it matter where they come from? Was that game not intense and exciting? If a player's nationality is what prevents you from watching esports why even bother? Some people doesn't enjoy seeing a tourney roster and knowing which players will finish top 6. It's his opinion, are you that intolerant? There are more than 6 Koreans, and if pool play shows us anything it's that foreigners are more than capable of making it top 6 anyway. SC is about the games, not about where people are from. You want SC2 to be an e-sport, right? Soccer is all about the games too, yet I don't cheer for barcelona because they are the best team in the world, I cheer for flamengo because they are the team from my country. Soccer is a team sport, SC2 is more comparable to tennis or golf, Do you perhaps not root for Federer or Tiger Woods? There's not much point in complaining about people cheering for their own country. The Koreans do the same and no one ever blames them. Like Tasteless was saying, Koreans won't even watch a sport unless Koreans are winning it. + Show Spoiler +
This is simply not true. My father was a Yankees fan ever since he was a teenager in South Korea. He didn't even own a television set. He'd watch the games on horrible reception whenever he had a chance to go to a major city. In an Olympic setting, would South Koreans root for their national team? Of course they would, but the important thing is that they ultimately respect
the game.
Whoever you root for is who you choose to root for. What's ridiculous is to say that you're a StarCraft fan and then in the next breath say you blatantly refuse to watch any games with Koreans in it. So basically you are...
1. Being prejudice. Not racist, but prejudice. The best players in the world are Korean. You are refusing to watch the best players simply because they are Korean.
2. Not respecting the game. Refusing to watch games based on reason #1 means you don't care about seeing good games. All you care about is seeing foreigners play.
3. Ignorant. You are denying yourself the opportunity to watch the best StarCraft 2 players in the world.
I'm a soccer fan. When the United States or South Korean national teams are playing, of course I'll cheer in their favor, but when they inevitably get knocked out I don't stop watching the game. I watch it all the way to the finals. Why? Because I respect the game and those who play it on the highest level. The sport takes precedent over the nationalism.
The last thing StarCraft should become is a xenophobic mouthpiece for nationalistic circlejerks. Respect the players. Respect the game. There are good foreigners and there are good Koreans, but if foreign scene can't respect the game, then it will always be subpar to the Korean scene.
Also, the basketball scene in China is getting much better too. Guess what the best selling NBA jersey in China is? If you guessed Yao Ming you are dead wrong.
The best selling NBA jersey in China is Kobe Bryant. Then it's Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson.... Yao Ming is actually #10.
Oh god the drama, few people don't want to watch the game if their favorite players are not in it, deal with it. Or you can go a clockwork orange on his ass and force him the games. Then you like the players more than the game itself. That's fine as long as you're honest about it but I'd rather watch the games through (specifically if they're high-level games) to lend my support to the game. The human drama is nice, the personalities are nice and the fan following is nice, but ultimately what I love is the game. Like Day[9] says, "I don't have a favorite player. Whoever is doing well in a game is my favorite player."
except for select! ;P
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On October 16 2011 11:35 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. He is not of korean descent but he can be considered a Korean SC2 player as most of his TIme with SC2 has been in korea
Pretty much this, even if you don't agree, calling him a Korean player is different than calling him a Korean human. Like if I say HuK is really aggressive, it refers to his play, you wouldn't assume I meant that he punched some guy in a bar. Meaning is contextual.
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On October 16 2011 11:37 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:31 Engore wrote:
Damn! Really wish Geoff would have a good showing this tournament. Oh well hopefully he can recover and find his way out of this slump soon. Really love you brother, keep up the hard work it will pay off. Sadly, I think this is way past a "slump", it's just his level. I'm not hating but it's pretty clear he doesn't belong in pool play. It's just how the system works though. Besides him finishing 4th at Dallas this year. I mean the majority of people in the pools you could say don't belong compared to the koreans. He wiped the floor with TLO at Dallas yet he continues to be in pools too. Tyler got grandfathered in after some people didn't come to this event. He has been to all the events consistently and deserves his pool spot regardless of what people think. If other people want a spot they should come to every event and get there. Geoff just has a mental block right now. Doesn't help that protoss is one of the weaker races right now. Also Geoff's group was considered one of the hardest groups.
But it's been going on for too long, and it's been happening in every time incontrol shows up. I haven't seen him win in ages, it doesn't seem like a slump to me.
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On October 16 2011 11:37 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas. Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler.
Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4.
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On October 16 2011 11:38 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:37 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:36 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:35 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:On October 16 2011 11:34 NuclearJudas wrote:Kawaii getting a Barracks, Tyler getting a gate. lolsurprise Tyler gets his first gas Kawaii getting his MULE-maker and Tyler getting his Core. KR expanding on 1 rax. Tyler researching Warp Gate, getting a Stalker and getting his Nexus. 2 Additional Barracks going up for KR, as well as 2 gas. Tyler getting his second gas. Another MULE-maker for KR. Robo going up for Tyler. Factory going up for KR. Tyler getting his second(?) gate and Observer going out. Tyler with a slight worker lead. Two more gates for Tyler, making his gate-count 4.
Stim and Combat SHields coming up for KR. Tyler Going for Robo bay and a Forge. Medivacs out for KR.
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On October 16 2011 11:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:36 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:33 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:27 Cel.erity wrote:On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here. Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA. He was in Korea for a year, he lived outside of Korea for like 20. I know you meant playing and training SC2, but that just simply does not make him Korean. Being Korean has pretty well defined attributes in English and HuK does not satisfy them. As I said saying "training in Korea" (or some synonym) is not that hard, is more precise and clear and would prevent this endless discussions, where one side unnecessarily tries to create their own lingo with new definitions of words and the other side is then confused by sentences not making sense in standard English. Every sub-culture has its own lingo and altered word definitions. In this case, on TL, "Korean" and "Foreigner" don't mean exactly what the dictionary says. Get used to it. When will people realize that TL is not a single sub-culture. Casters in MLG use the term "foreigner" when describing HuK. Expect to see it a lot on TL LR threads, and expect people to not budge on using it that way.
TL, MLG, etc.. and just extending it to starcraft in general, is a sub-culture. It's a worldwide one, not just a regional one.
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Mass lings always warms my heart.
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On October 16 2011 11:33 railstay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:23 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 11:18 railstay wrote:On October 16 2011 10:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 16 2011 10:43 Zeroxk wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 DystopiaX wrote:On October 16 2011 10:38 dmnum wrote:On October 16 2011 10:36 DystopiaX wrote:On October 16 2011 10:35 Ausfailia wrote:
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Why, were you not entertained by that game? Why does it matter where they come from? Was that game not intense and exciting? If a player's nationality is what prevents you from watching esports why even bother? Some people doesn't enjoy seeing a tourney roster and knowing which players will finish top 6. It's his opinion, are you that intolerant? There are more than 6 Koreans, and if pool play shows us anything it's that foreigners are more than capable of making it top 6 anyway. SC is about the games, not about where people are from. You want SC2 to be an e-sport, right? Soccer is all about the games too, yet I don't cheer for barcelona because they are the best team in the world, I cheer for flamengo because they are the team from my country. Soccer is a team sport, SC2 is more comparable to tennis or golf, Do you perhaps not root for Federer or Tiger Woods? There's not much point in complaining about people cheering for their own country. The Koreans do the same and no one ever blames them. Like Tasteless was saying, Koreans won't even watch a sport unless Koreans are winning it. + Show Spoiler +
This is simply not true. My father was a Yankees fan ever since he was a teenager in South Korea. He didn't even own a television set. He'd watch the games on horrible reception whenever he had a chance to go to a major city. In an Olympic setting, would South Koreans root for their national team? Of course they would, but the important thing is that they ultimately respect
the game.
Whoever you root for is who you choose to root for. What's ridiculous is to say that you're a StarCraft fan and then in the next breath say you blatantly refuse to watch any games with Koreans in it. So basically you are...
1. Being prejudice. Not racist, but prejudice. The best players in the world are Korean. You are refusing to watch the best players simply because they are Korean.
2. Not respecting the game. Refusing to watch games based on reason #1 means you don't care about seeing good games. All you care about is seeing foreigners play.
3. Ignorant. You are denying yourself the opportunity to watch the best StarCraft 2 players in the world.
I'm a soccer fan. When the United States or South Korean national teams are playing, of course I'll cheer in their favor, but when they inevitably get knocked out I don't stop watching the game. I watch it all the way to the finals. Why? Because I respect the game and those who play it on the highest level. The sport takes precedent over the nationalism.
The last thing StarCraft should become is a xenophobic mouthpiece for nationalistic circlejerks. Respect the players. Respect the game. There are good foreigners and there are good Koreans, but if foreign scene can't respect the game, then it will always be subpar to the Korean scene.
Also, the basketball scene in China is getting much better too. Guess what the best selling NBA jersey in China is? If you guessed Yao Ming you are dead wrong.
The best selling NBA jersey in China is Kobe Bryant. Then it's Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson.... Yao Ming is actually #10.
Oh god the drama, few people don't want to watch the game if their favorite players are not in it, deal with it. Or you can go a clockwork orange on his ass and force him the games. Then you like the players more than the game itself. That's fine as long as you're honest about it but I'd rather watch the games through (specifically if they're high-level games) to lend my support to the game. The human drama is nice, the personalities are nice and the fan following is nice, but ultimately what I love is the game. Like Day[9] says, "I don't have a favorite player. Whoever is doing well in a game is my favorite player." I love the game more than the players. I'm a big nestea fan, but when he lost to MVP, I could say that MVP was better(Just like idra vs MKP now, I like idra better, but he lost because MKP played better). What I'm saying is that SC2, like any other sport, attracts people for different reasons. Some will watch because they love the game(I watch european soccer a LOT, and I don't really like one particular team[I enjoy watching MU/Bayern Munchen], I watch mostly because the games are very good). The guy likes to watch because he wants to see his favorite players win, and when they lose, he loses interest too. It's a opinion. While you may or may not agree with that, you need to respect it.
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Ho wow, with all of this I missed the WCG Korea and I will miss the next one that start in 2 hours :o
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On October 16 2011 11:27 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:23 mcc wrote:On October 16 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears* Huk is not Korean. Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far. To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations. When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean. Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean. That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings. Firstly, the korean/foreigner terminology was invented before SC2 existed. Secondly, I was simply clarifying what every sane person means by the terms. When someone says HuK is Korean, it is shorthand for saying he's a white dude who has trained in Korea for long enough to be considered one of them, in SC terms.
And my argument was that that shorthand is useless and even more, actually bad. The only plus is it saves you few syllables. Problem is it creates misunderstanding with anyone not using this lingo and it unnecessarily simplifies everything. Canadian training in Korea actually provides much more information on the correct state of the world and allows us to distinguish more than two groups of people.
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