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Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
October 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#6701
On October 09 2011 05:23 noBode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:20 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:44 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:43 Logros wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:42 Kamikazess wrote:
I really don't get this muta play against a protoss with a lot of phoenix already in play, and stalkers.

They destroy phoenix once the numbers are high enough due to mutas hitting multiple targets.

If I remember correctly, that isn't correct. Even with the bounce, equal number of phoenix counter mutalisks.

Going to go try it out in the editor, brb.


Just wanted to make sure I actually did follow up with my results.

All with a-moving both forces in a unit tester.

Small scale battles
10 phoenix vs 15 mutalisk
6 phoenix left.
10 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
11-12 mutalisk left.

Average Scale Battles
20 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
15-16 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 25 mutalisk
13 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 30 mutalisk
5 phoenix left.

Large Scale Battles
50 phoenix vs 60 mutalisk
23 phoenix left.
50 phoenix vs 75 mutalisk
18 mutas left.
50 phoenix vs 70 mutalisk
9 out of 10 times phoenix win with 7-12 phoenix left. One time Mutalisk came out on top with 6 left.

From what I've gathered from around 50 unit tests that if the gas used is equal the phoenix will always win. The closer that mutalisk get to the same mineral consumption the better chance they have to win engagements. With good to above average micro or a good spread of phoenix the more likely they will beat out bigger amounts of mutalisk.

if your opponent mass muta and you mass phoenixes in response all the time, you'll die to zerglings and ground attacks because phoenixes can't attack ground while mutas can.

People earlier in the thread were talking about how mass mutas always counter mass phoenix and I tested based solely on that match-up. If my tests are true (and you have similar economy) you can easily have enough sentries and zealots to counter mass ling on the ground.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
October 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#6702
On October 09 2011 05:25 RinconH wrote:
Calling it now: immortal + zealot from MC into warp prism harass

Well done sir
(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻ OW YEAH!!
ShakaDEVIRGO
Profile Joined May 2011
Mexico106 Posts
October 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#6703
On October 09 2011 05:23 noBode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:20 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:44 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:43 Logros wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:42 Kamikazess wrote:
I really don't get this muta play against a protoss with a lot of phoenix already in play, and stalkers.

They destroy phoenix once the numbers are high enough due to mutas hitting multiple targets.

If I remember correctly, that isn't correct. Even with the bounce, equal number of phoenix counter mutalisks.

Going to go try it out in the editor, brb.


Just wanted to make sure I actually did follow up with my results.

All with a-moving both forces in a unit tester.

Small scale battles
10 phoenix vs 15 mutalisk
6 phoenix left.
10 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
11-12 mutalisk left.

Average Scale Battles
20 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
15-16 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 25 mutalisk
13 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 30 mutalisk
5 phoenix left.

Large Scale Battles
50 phoenix vs 60 mutalisk
23 phoenix left.
50 phoenix vs 75 mutalisk
18 mutas left.
50 phoenix vs 70 mutalisk
9 out of 10 times phoenix win with 7-12 phoenix left. One time Mutalisk came out on top with 6 left.

From what I've gathered from around 50 unit tests that if the gas used is equal the phoenix will always win. The closer that mutalisk get to the same mineral consumption the better chance they have to win engagements. With good to above average micro or a good spread of phoenix the more likely they will beat out bigger amounts of mutalisk.

if your opponent mass muta and you mass phoenixes in response all the time, you'll die to zerglings and ground attacks because phoenixes can't attack ground while mutas can.

in my experience phoenix dont scale well against mutas when u micro them, its just better to a move them cause of the cumping
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6704
Doa loves immortal droppings : <
andis35
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia346 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6705
warp prism vs blink
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6706
Imortal dropping to me sounds like a reaver harras wannabe.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6707
I'm not trying to be rude, but who is Inori? I have never heard of him before. Is he Korean?
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6708
oh noes warp prism vs blink, given that blink won't finish today mc's probably won
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
CutthroatCollapse
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany309 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6709
immortal drop? oh boy, im scared for mc
I tink, MC so sterong
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6710
On October 09 2011 05:26 scarper65 wrote:
I'm not trying to be rude, but who is Inori? I have never heard of him before. Is he Korean?


yes korean protoss on fxo.
When I think of something else, something will go here
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6711
On October 09 2011 05:25 dangerjoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:25 RinconH wrote:
Calling it now: immortal + zealot from MC into warp prism harass


Good call sir

vs blink stalkers? Looks bad for mc
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6712
Not like this...not like this...
leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6713
MC is dead
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6714
silly, MC your not white-ra
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6715
Dat hero probe spotting the aggression
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6716
That was cute MC.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6717
wtf mc.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6718
Shit MC better come back from this..
It appears I have been chosen.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6719
gg mc T_T
When I think of something else, something will go here
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#6720
LOL FLYING PYLON SNIPE
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
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