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Please avoid making the following comments in this topic: -Balance complaints; -Player or caster bashing; -Stream quality or lag complaints;-Offtopic arguments and negativisms. -No effort posts such as +1's, quotes without adding to them and general 'hahaha' etc posts. This is a free event hosted for your entertainment, please enjoy it as such and treat your fellow community members with respect when you post. Transgressions of forum rules and etiquette will be met with bans. For tournament information and results please check our Liquipedia site for the event! You can find it at the end of this link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Valencia_InvitationalIf you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM on site or query me on IRC. Have fun ~Nyovne On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On September 18 2011 00:03 nojok wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 23:59 proofy wrote:
This is Protoss day. Jangbi and Hero lead the way. What a brat. I was waiting for games in youtube because I could not watch live, thank you very much.
im sorry but this is a live thread...
u can expect spoilers. so gtfo instead.
User was banned for this post.
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On September 18 2011 00:01 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:59 Binabik wrote:On September 17 2011 23:57 Roggay wrote:On September 17 2011 23:56 kurrysauce wrote:
Can't believe people are suggesting he drop 10+ spines at every base. Yeah , 4 x 10 = 40 drones. 40 drone . Have fun mining off 3 base with 30 drones. very well played by hero , feed backs were on point and his drops were amazing.
Makes me wonder what protosses have to say after that. " gateway units are blah blah blah blah against infestors blah" lol.. Actually they are right, there is no excuse for having that much mineral. You can always replace those drones (and it is even easier with macro hatchs). He only needs 3 Spines +1 Spore and 1 OverLord spotting around each base and everything's fine. Three spines do nothing against 6+ zealots, and 1 spore dies before spines can kill 3+ dt's. What made herO's play so strong was his positioning and army movement while harassing, not to mention expanding while he does all of this. 6 zealots in the main, 2 dt's at the 5th, collusi and stalker in the main after idra goes to main and defends the 6 zealots and snipes the greater spire. Just constant great play from Hero
6 Zealots lose against 3 Spines and 1 Spore doesn't die to 3 DTs if placed correctly.
It's abouting spotting the drop with the OverLord and then sending some units there btw, not about destroying it immediately.
As a Protoss I know how to deal with drops, because in PvT an unspotted drop on an undefended location is terrible for the Toss and can be game-deciding.
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On September 18 2011 00:03 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I missed Huk v Thorzain, how were the games?
Interesting games, especially game 1 and game 2.
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On September 18 2011 00:02 Micket wrote:
Now imagine Hero's play with warp prisms never dieing, immortals being +1 range, infestors being useless vs colossi armies. Blizzard are clearly patching too early. Just because Protoss are sitting on a death ball, without moving out, without scouting, in insane turtle, doesn't mean they are UP against a 6 base Zerg.
I believe any problem mid or late game should NOT be patched. Early game stuff such as 1-1-1, 5 rax reaper, 2 rax, 4 gate pvp, should be patched.
He almost lost 1 prism, he used no Immortals and the game was over when NP came into play...
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On September 17 2011 23:58 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:56 NexUmbra wrote:On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english? Can you speak Korean? I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish. They all use the same alphabet, Korean and English don't. Even in UK I guarantee you no one who just goes to school and does french cannot speak french, they must learn it in another way. After doing 4 years of french all I can say is what my name is, and where I live -.- The priority of learning english seems to be high in all european countries. Korea must not care much about it  French is really easy to learn...
I use to be quite good at French, but haven't use it in 10 years. Now I think my Chinese is better.
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On September 18 2011 00:00 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:56 noBode wrote:On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english? Can you speak Korean? I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish. Edit: But that's not the point. Most of the people who play computer games online have a good grasp of the English language. I'm just curious why Koreans don't? You do realize that while European languages are relatively similar to each other. They are very different from Asian language, right? It's much easier for Koreans to learn languages like Japanese, or Chinese too. You do realise european languages also come from different language groups right ? I mean my language is nothing even remotely similar to english (slovenian) but I've just been learning it from the internets for long enough to become second nature, but sayting all EU languages and english are relatively similar is just REALY ignorant
At least they use the same alphabet. Having taken classic greek for quite a few years, switching alphabets is hard as hell. Being able to read at least the letters without a conscious effort makes learning a language so much easier. To that extent, they are relatively similar.
Learning slovenian would be easier for me then learning korean/chinese.
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On September 18 2011 00:00 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:59 Binabik wrote:On September 17 2011 23:57 Roggay wrote:On September 17 2011 23:56 kurrysauce wrote:
Can't believe people are suggesting he drop 10+ spines at every base. Yeah , 4 x 10 = 40 drones. 40 drone . Have fun mining off 3 base with 30 drones. very well played by hero , feed backs were on point and his drops were amazing.
Makes me wonder what protosses have to say after that. " gateway units are blah blah blah blah against infestors blah" lol.. Actually they are right, there is no excuse for having that much mineral. You can always replace those drones (and it is even easier with macro hatchs). He only needs 3 Spines +1 Spore and 1 OverLord spotting around each base and everything's fine. Not when the opponent is warping in 10 charge zealots with upgrades.
But instead of getting a hatch sniped and then his second hatch sniped, he has enough time to respond with his army.
Also, you don't need spines at the second at third, just the 1st, 4th and 5th. So ~6 spines at 5th, 4 at 4th and 1st and major counter attacking routes are shut down.
Also, with good overlord placement, you can see the warp prism BEFORE the zealots even come and begin responding while the spines hold the fort until reinforcements come. Hero loses 1k minerals for a few spines once or twice and he won't be doing it anymore.
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On September 18 2011 00:00 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:59 Binabik wrote:On September 17 2011 23:57 Roggay wrote:On September 17 2011 23:56 kurrysauce wrote:
Can't believe people are suggesting he drop 10+ spines at every base. Yeah , 4 x 10 = 40 drones. 40 drone . Have fun mining off 3 base with 30 drones. very well played by hero , feed backs were on point and his drops were amazing.
Makes me wonder what protosses have to say after that. " gateway units are blah blah blah blah against infestors blah" lol.. Actually they are right, there is no excuse for having that much mineral. You can always replace those drones (and it is even easier with macro hatchs). He only needs 3 Spines +1 Spore and 1 OverLord spotting around each base and everything's fine. Not when the opponent is warping in 10 charge zealots with upgrades.
then make it 5(he had the money for it), they buy u enough time to clear the warp in with a small force of ling/roaches
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On September 18 2011 00:00 emc wrote:
365/7/24
now I've never seen it written like that
Doesn't make any sense either... 52/7/24 would at least make sense.
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I have a feeling Idra isn't even trying anymore.
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This certainly explains the mid-game mutalisks from zergs in korea WP from HerO I couldn't even begin to replicate that.
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Idra's play wasn't bad guys, High Templars and Warp Prisms are just too good.
All the Storms , Feedbacks and multiple warp prisms won HerO the game.
Every push Idra made, was stopped because of High Templars.
Every Base was killed because of Warp Prisms.
Those are probably the two strongest utilities Protoss has, and HerO uses them. Can't say the same for many other Protoss players who still try to make a deathball and A-move. That's old stuff.
There's nothing IdrA could of done better in that game besides putting up a hella amount of spine crawlers and having better Overlord Spread. Nothing else was going to save him.
As far as IdrA losing the game, well, he just didn't finish the game off early enough to take the win. He let HerO back in the game by going for a T3 late game army. Was expecting HerO to sit at home and do nothing, bad decision. Game was over at 15 minutes, he didn't want to finish it.
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On September 18 2011 00:03 )z(SubZero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:03 nojok wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 23:59 proofy wrote:
This is Protoss day. Jangbi and Hero lead the way. What a brat. I was waiting for games in youtube because I could not watch live, thank you very much. im sorry but this is a live thread... u can expect spoilers. so gtfo instead.
He means the OSL spoilers.
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Just want to say thanks to the user that recommended using ultrasurf. no stream lag since.
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On September 18 2011 00:00 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:56 noBode wrote:On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english? Can you speak Korean? I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish. Edit: But that's not the point. Most of the people who play computer games online have a good grasp of the English language. I'm just curious why Koreans don't? You do realize that while European languages are relatively similar to each other. They are very different from Asian language, right? It's much easier for Koreans to learn languages like Japanese, or Chinese too. You do realise european languages also come from different language groups right ? I mean my language is nothing even remotely similar to english (slovenian) but I've just been learning it from the internets for long enough to become second nature, but sayting all EU languages and english are relatively similar is just REALY ignorant
Europeans frequently travel to neighboring countries and it is important to know a multitude of languages to better communicate, not to mention the cultural similarities to other English speaking nations. Korea, on the other hand, has only frequently emerged as a fully developed country. Learning English isn't as important as learning another Asian language like Chinese. It is like asking a native Russian why he can't speak Portuguese.
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Hi all, just wanted to tell those that have had problems with lag on stream (this is not a complaint, just possible advice). I had some lag but then realized that the chat on the Twitch page had some error that lagged the browser. It is some error in one of the Java components used. Once I shut down that component things got much better (i.e. disable chat).
Error message:
Message: 'CurrentChat' is undefined.
Row: 176
Char: 250
Code: 0
URI: http://www-cdn.jtvnw.net/javascripts/ebbeccb5_xarth_channel.js
If anyone knows a good support link for the page please forward this message.
Edit: I'm using IE 8 ( info from page: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; BRI/2; .NET4.0C)
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On September 17 2011 23:56 Beyonder wrote:
Updated the OP
Thanks!
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On September 18 2011 00:04 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:00 cilinder007 wrote:On September 17 2011 23:56 noBode wrote:On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english? Can you speak Korean? I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish. Edit: But that's not the point. Most of the people who play computer games online have a good grasp of the English language. I'm just curious why Koreans don't? You do realize that while European languages are relatively similar to each other. They are very different from Asian language, right? It's much easier for Koreans to learn languages like Japanese, or Chinese too. You do realise european languages also come from different language groups right ? I mean my language is nothing even remotely similar to english (slovenian) but I've just been learning it from the internets for long enough to become second nature, but sayting all EU languages and english are relatively similar is just REALY ignorant At least they use the same alphabet. Having taken classic greek for quite a few years, switching alphabets is hard as hell. Being able to read at least the letters without a conscious effort makes learning a language so much easier. To that extent, they are relatively similar. Learning slovenian would be easier for me then learning korean/chinese.
I'm currently learning Mandarin. I think it's way easier than when I studied Russian.
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Why is the stream staying black for me all the time? You guys know?
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On September 17 2011 23:53 Ker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english? Probably they didn't learn english in school. Or too much pride, w/e. I know White-Ra didn't learn english in his youth at all, but he still does the interviews without translators. Obviously he's gotten very good at that, in comparison to his SC1 times :D
I know a few koreans, they are very good in english so I don't think their education is that bad, its probably just something to do with pro gamers not into educations.
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