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Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
September 09 2011 14:46 GMT
#501
The real ignorance is to say 'i can't believe they're doing this to me, I know it's worth $5 but I absolutely won't pay it because there's other free content out there' and hope you come off as anything other than butthurt about not being able to watch something you want to because you have scrouge-like principles and self entitlement.
PimpWilly
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States228 Posts
September 09 2011 14:47 GMT
#502
I was actually really excited, until I saw it was an online tournament. Paying $5 to watch an online tournament seems silly, we don't get live player shots or studio production or anything, just a stream of the games?

I can't get excited over that, the same reason I can't get excited over NASL. It's not the same if the players aren't there in person.

I'm conflicted because some of the matches looks awesome and it's trying to avoid all the tvt domination we've been seeing, but I'm on the fence because of this one issue.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
September 09 2011 14:48 GMT
#503
On September 09 2011 23:41 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 23:30 Airship wrote:
They don't need to offer a free stream at all, you're lucky that they do. It's worth paying for, so people pay for it. It's kind of how business works. And they'll do very well with this, it will most likely be a high quality show as usual, well worth the measly $5, and frankly losing people like you leeching their bandwidth who will clearly never pay for anything is probably for the best.

edit: this was aimed at Jakkerr


This is a really ignorant thing to say. When people watch a tournament, even on the free stream, they are contributing by increasing the popularity of the show, which is what sponsors care about.


yeah everyone who contributes to the numbers gom can report to its advertisers is definitely a gom supporter.Even the ones who watch the free stream at korean time are subject to pepsi advertising and the like. There are some people who cheat the system but the vast majority (I hope) do not.

Of course if Gom doesn't want to offer that option for this tournament, its up to their discretion. Its not for anyone to say that viewers should buy tickets or that gom should offer a free stream.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
September 09 2011 14:48 GMT
#504
On September 09 2011 23:44 Airship wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 23:41 Vul wrote:
On September 09 2011 23:30 Airship wrote:
They don't need to offer a free stream at all, you're lucky that they do. It's worth paying for, so people pay for it. It's kind of how business works. And they'll do very well with this, it will most likely be a high quality show as usual, well worth the measly $5, and frankly losing people like you leeching their bandwidth who will clearly never pay for anything is probably for the best.

edit: this was aimed at Jakkerr


This is a really ignorant thing to say. When people watch a tournament, even on the free stream, they are contributing by increasing the popularity of the show, which is what sponsors care about.


I understand this, but gomtv's tournaments have been pretty firmly established now as the spotlight premier stacraft 2 leagues. If the free stream made them that much money, they'd have no reason not to offer it. They obviously want to move more towards a membership orientated business plan, at least with regards to fringe tournaments, and I hate to break it to you but they're popular enough to be able to do that. More to the point though, that doesn't change the fact that we all know it's worth the $5.


And what u just said is exactly what they shouldn't do.
They would make themselves effectively reliable of the fans, a business would ONLY try this as an effort to gain more money because there aren't enough companies that are willing to invest in korean SC2.
Money from the public is never a reliable and steady source of income, which any company needs.

Maybe I'm exaggerating and there aren't any problems, but I know what I'm talking about and this way of 'doing business' sounds very strange to me.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
September 09 2011 14:53 GMT
#505
I'm inclined to believe there's more money in this, even if only based on the fact that gomtv have the numbers and it's happening
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
September 09 2011 14:54 GMT
#506
On September 09 2011 23:48 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 23:44 Airship wrote:
On September 09 2011 23:41 Vul wrote:
On September 09 2011 23:30 Airship wrote:
They don't need to offer a free stream at all, you're lucky that they do. It's worth paying for, so people pay for it. It's kind of how business works. And they'll do very well with this, it will most likely be a high quality show as usual, well worth the measly $5, and frankly losing people like you leeching their bandwidth who will clearly never pay for anything is probably for the best.

edit: this was aimed at Jakkerr


This is a really ignorant thing to say. When people watch a tournament, even on the free stream, they are contributing by increasing the popularity of the show, which is what sponsors care about.


I understand this, but gomtv's tournaments have been pretty firmly established now as the spotlight premier stacraft 2 leagues. If the free stream made them that much money, they'd have no reason not to offer it. They obviously want to move more towards a membership orientated business plan, at least with regards to fringe tournaments, and I hate to break it to you but they're popular enough to be able to do that. More to the point though, that doesn't change the fact that we all know it's worth the $5.


And what u just said is exactly what they shouldn't do.
They would make themselves effectively reliable of the fans, a business would ONLY try this as an effort to gain more money because there aren't enough companies that are willing to invest in korean SC2.
Money from the public is never a reliable and steady source of income, which any company needs.

Maybe I'm exaggerating and there aren't any problems, but I know what I'm talking about and this way of 'doing business' sounds very strange to me.


No ill manner intended, but what are your business credentials
KingVietKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
September 09 2011 14:54 GMT
#507
It's a special side event that will really have very little bearing and relatively few games in comparison to the main tournament, which has a free stream. I have a hard time following the bullshit arguments of moral rightness or wrong.

I think someone went so far as to say using SC2 to make money is wrong.... that's worth checking back on...

On September 09 2011 22:49 choe wrote:
please, please dont support this tournament.
there are indeed great players in it, but paying for it is just wrong!
it will just show gomtv that they can make more money if they arent doin the free streaming.

it is just wrong to take starcraft 2 as a source of money!


Yea this is pure retardery. This is basically saying "I don't want esports to exist in any fashion." It makes a blanket statement about the company, going so far as to imply that the free stream will disappear because a six day tournament got a couple thousand people to chuck in five dollars.

If you don't dig this tournament, that's fine. I probably won't be paying for it either, the value seems somewhat low overall in the current field of online tournaments and I don't feel like I'll be missing out on the overall GSL storyline by missing it. But the second you start to somehow question the morality of this move (which a surprisingly high number of people are) is the moment you complete invalidate yourself and your argument.

Questioning the business sense, now that I can see.
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
September 09 2011 15:00 GMT
#508
im not gonna lie im a bit disapointed to see drewbie wasnt invited.. other than that cool news
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
September 09 2011 15:00 GMT
#509
The people complaining here about it not being free are a joke. Oh look at me, I can't pay $5 bucks to see pro stars play! I used to always see free streams!! FREE FREE FREE ME ME ME! I don't support gomtv or esports! Gom is greedy. SC2 should be free! Look at me!

go collect some cans.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
September 09 2011 15:05 GMT
#510
On September 10 2011 00:00 bucckevin wrote:
The people complaining here about it not being free are a joke. Oh look at me, I can't pay $5 bucks to see pro stars play! I used to always see free streams!! FREE FREE FREE ME ME ME! I don't support gomtv or esports! Gom is greedy. SC2 should be free! Look at me!

go collect some cans.

Personally, I wondered where Thorzain was! :D

I thought I was going to get it free, but it turns out I freeloaded during the first and/or second tournament. Bought all the tickets after that though.

Whatever to the 5$, it's half the price of a beer here.
kilolo
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden150 Posts
September 09 2011 15:09 GMT
#511
This will be sooo goooooood!
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
September 09 2011 15:09 GMT
#512
Great idea GOM.

Great idea with one of each race in the group stage, I personally (and I think it's the same for everyone) prefer non-mirror matchups.

Great pick of players, really looking forward to this.

Anyone know who's casting?
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
September 09 2011 15:12 GMT
#513
Oh to the people here saying that everything should be FREE because there are ads. Gom does not shove advertisements down our throat. The only advertisement I see is the 3 second one at the beginning of the show for Pepsi and Gskill, that's it! Did any of you watch NASL, where they showed 30 second oliven garden commercials every 5 minutes?
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
September 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#514
On September 10 2011 00:00 Juanald wrote:
im not gonna lie im a bit disapointed to see drewbie wasnt invited.. other than that cool news

This is the whose who of sc2 esports. Drewbie isn't even on the radar in Korea. Why would he be invited?
ZenViper
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)115 Posts
September 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#515
DRG is a legend? And someone said Trickster wasn't? haha
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 09 2011 15:16 GMT
#516
wow, those groups look insane. I kind of wish they were having qualifiers instead or something. Seems like all those players already get to play in the actual GSL. I always like to see some new blood get a chance.

Still though, this will be sick. I wish they were still doing the free stream.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
September 09 2011 15:17 GMT
#517
I would definitly pay for these if I didnt have to watch them at 3am everytime. If they could start them at the same time they start code A (9pm PST, 11Pm EST) then it wouldnt be an issue. But Im tired of staying up until 3am for 2 games on work days ><
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
September 09 2011 15:18 GMT
#518
On September 10 2011 00:14 purecarnagge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 00:00 Juanald wrote:
im not gonna lie im a bit disapointed to see drewbie wasnt invited.. other than that cool news

This is the whose who of sc2 esports. Drewbie isn't even on the radar in Korea. Why would he be invited?


this is an arena of legends and drewbie is a legend on the foreign scene. oldschool pro since retail. he might not have the same celebrity in korea as america but a tourney like this is the best place for him to proof himself
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 09 2011 15:18 GMT
#519
On September 10 2011 00:17 Darpa wrote:
I would definitly pay for these if I didnt have to watch them at 3am everytime. If they could start them at the same time they start code A (9pm PST, 11Pm EST) then it wouldnt be an issue. But Im tired of staying up until 3am for 2 games on work days ><


Yeah, I definitely hear that. Oh well, I'll probably still end up paying for it. Too many good games.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
September 09 2011 15:20 GMT
#520
On September 10 2011 00:18 Juanald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 00:14 purecarnagge wrote:
On September 10 2011 00:00 Juanald wrote:
im not gonna lie im a bit disapointed to see drewbie wasnt invited.. other than that cool news

This is the whose who of sc2 esports. Drewbie isn't even on the radar in Korea. Why would he be invited?


this is an arena of legends and drewbie is a legend on the foreign scene. oldschool pro since retail. he might not have the same celebrity in korea as america but a tourney like this is the best place for him to proof himself

purecarnagge just got trolled.

Or so I very sincerely hope :s
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