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GOM needs better casters. Freakin Moletrap didn't even know what was happening in the JYP/Taeja game but he couldn't stop blabbing about how much trouble Taeja was in. When JYP dropped the main and attacked the natural, Taeja simply moved the scvs in his main away and fended off the attack at the natural. The casters were going nuts, talking about how much damage JYP was doing, while JYP's zealots and immortal were only hitting the CC and supply depot...They show workers killed count and Taeja only lost like 7 during that attack, had a supply lead, and had his 3rd up and running already. Moletrap kept saying Taeja needed a third because JYP was getting his up after the attack but when you look at the mini map, Taeja is putting up his fourth....
Then we have butthurt protoss players who were listening to Moletrap coming in here talking about how JYP outplayed Taeja the whole game and still lost.
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I am for sure not buying the ticket for next GSL. For this one, I already would skip most TvT VODs unless they were really short or I was really bored (never that much). TvT is actually the most fun mirror matchup to watch but there have been way too many from the start of Sc2 up until now.
Terrans are the only race that has been consistently doing well in all tournaments foreign or korean. Blizzard will need to admit sooner or later that they are OP and need to be fixed, starting with marauders and marines. It is such a shame that such a powerful and great unit like Raven is not used late game to counter stalkers with PDD when Amove stimmed Marauders with minimal micro go through toss like through butter (as soon as vikings remove Colossi).
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On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:18 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:06 Terrestrialrage wrote:On September 09 2011 03:55 HouseofFlyingDaggers wrote:
5 Protoss - HuK, Puzzle, HongUn, Genius and Killer
7 Zerg - DongRaeGu, LosirA, NesTea, Leenock, July, Zenio, CoCa
20 Terran - Polt, MVP, Keen, TOP, Ryung, MMA, Bomber, Virus, NaDa, Happy, asd, Clide, Noblesse, aLive, Ensnare, SuperNoVa, Jjakji, Teaja, MarineKing, Ganzi. I could see a zerg taking this season with a line-up like that. That is an extraordinary list of talent coming from the Z side. P is just screwed and I wouldnt be surprised if there was 0-2 Ps in the Ro16 (Puzzle is pretty good, Huk almost as good). While there may be a lot of Ts, I could see the Ro4 being 2Z 2T. Brackets arent posted yet so I'm hoping we dont see any DRG/Nestea/Losira/Leenock combination in the Ro32. Zergs players can't win against Mvp  . Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved! Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin
Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late.
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Watched the last game (?) between JYP and MKP and I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about MKP being sloppy. Sure his build opening was 1-1-1'ish, but it wasn't an 1-1-1. (you know, build stuff, pack up and go with the SCVs) He opened with hellion drops then attacked the front with marines/tanks. He transistioned into expansion and banshees, doing tremendous damage yet again on JYP's mineral line.
For sure it was a devilish play abusing the flexibility of Terran tech and I felt for JYP, but wasn't anything remotely close to 1-1-1 all-in. If anything it was very similar to MVP's TvP style. (They practice together, not a surprise) And his unit control was flawless.
And the game between him and trickster was.. well, it was Trickster falling apart more than anything else but there was nothing cheesy or sloppy about MKP's play there.
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On September 09 2011 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:18 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:06 Terrestrialrage wrote:
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I could see a zerg taking this season with a line-up like that. That is an extraordinary list of talent coming from the Z side. P is just screwed and I wouldnt be surprised if there was 0-2 Ps in the Ro16 (Puzzle is pretty good, Huk almost as good). While there may be a lot of Ts, I could see the Ro4 being 2Z 2T. Brackets arent posted yet so I'm hoping we dont see any DRG/Nestea/Losira/Leenock combination in the Ro32.
Zergs players can't win against Mvp . Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved! Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late.
bomber beat him again in gstl quite easily.
Bomber is better then mvp at macro games, but in short games i have my doubts.
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Why are people basing balance discussion on how many terrans that qualify to Code S? It's completely irrelevant as in korea it's the player who is good, not the race. The 20 terrans in Code S are just better than most protoss and zerg players, I'd rather see new maps and builds for P and Z than just nerfing terran obliviously just because the community whines.
Great games by Taeja and MKP, less great by the tosses.
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On September 09 2011 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:18 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:06 Terrestrialrage wrote:
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I could see a zerg taking this season with a line-up like that. That is an extraordinary list of talent coming from the Z side. P is just screwed and I wouldnt be surprised if there was 0-2 Ps in the Ro16 (Puzzle is pretty good, Huk almost as good). While there may be a lot of Ts, I could see the Ro4 being 2Z 2T. Brackets arent posted yet so I'm hoping we dont see any DRG/Nestea/Losira/Leenock combination in the Ro32.
Zergs players can't win against Mvp . Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved! Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late.
So has Bomber in his own way. (What the fuck, walking over DRG even harder than MVP did? And that's his weakest match-up? What?)
Nobody's saying that Bomber will beat MVP next time they play, but he's probably the best bet in that, when he doesn't Hyuk things up, his macro, late-game decision-making, micro, crisis management, multitasking, etc. are not inferior to MVP's. You can't say this for anyone else in the GSL except for NesTea, and we all know that MVP eats NesTea for breakfast.
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On September 09 2011 05:42 VTPerfect wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:35 Fig wrote:On September 09 2011 04:11 tomatriedes wrote:On September 09 2011 03:55 HouseofFlyingDaggers wrote:On September 09 2011 03:44 gozima wrote:20  in code s next month? wtf. Could someone tell me how many  and  there are for code s next month as well? I don't fault GSL for the way code s is turning out, but I probably won't subscribe next month. Way too many . Terran definitely needs an overhaul. I have no idea how, but here's hoping Blizz can figure something out. :D 5 Protoss - HuK, Puzzle, HongUn, Genius and Killer 7 Zerg - DongRaeGu, LosirA, NesTea, Leenock, July, Zenio, CoCa 20 Terran - Polt, MVP, Keen, TOP, Ryung, MMA, Bomber, Virus, NaDa, Happy, asd, Clide, Noblesse, aLive, Ensnare, SuperNoVa, Jjakji, Teaja, MarineKing, Ganzi. Four of the protoss should try and get into the same group. Then they could at least guarantee a couple of toss in the ro16. That won't be possible, any available tosses will be seen as easy pickings and gobbled up immediately. nom nom nom so true, if i were a T/Z and i got to choose an opponent i would pick a poor protoss player cause i would be almost guaranteed a safe trip to the ro16
PvT is one thing but I don't understand the PvZ complaints. It's not like there are significantly more Zergs in Code S than Protoss. Looking at the Zergs in Code S. It was a Toss who sent Losira to up and downs this season and he's supposed to have top 3 ZvP. DRG got eliminated by a Toss. Leenock lost in the up and downs to Inca last season. Zenio got 2-0'ed by Hongun last season. July got knocked out by Trickster last season. That doesn't look to me like it's an unwinnable matchup at all.
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And those who do not like so many T's in code S (including myself), stop cheering for the team Slayers. They're at the front line coming up with abusive builds to suffocate P/Z. I could certainly understand Alicia's depression.
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Ahhh too many terrans! If it were up to me I would kick all these Ts out of Code S:
Keen
Virus
Happy
asd
Noblesse
aLive
Ensnare
jjakji
SuperNoVa
and replace them with some Ps and Zs. Alas, I don't control GOM... yet....
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On September 09 2011 06:16 Robonord wrote:
Ahhh too many terrans! If it were up to me I would kick all these Ts out of Code S:
Keen
Virus
Happy
asd
Noblesse
aLive
Ensnare
jjakji
SuperNoVa
and replace them with some Ps and Zs. Alas, I don't control GOM... yet....
You want GOM to turn to WWE?
on second thought that might be a bit fun
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I'm so happy that Marineking is back in Code S 
Not surprised the other slot went to Taeja though, he's been tearing it up recently.
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On September 09 2011 06:20 blacklist_member wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:16 Robonord wrote:
Ahhh too many terrans! If it were up to me I would kick all these Ts out of Code S:
Keen
Virus
Happy
asd
Noblesse
aLive
Ensnare
jjakji
SuperNoVa
and replace them with some Ps and Zs. Alas, I don't control GOM... yet.... You want GOM to turn to WWE? on second thought that might be a bit fun
Well, we'd likely see Slayerseve in revealing outfits... :/
Kicking Terrans out of Code S would be ridiculous. We need this to be happening; it's how Blizzard realizes there's something 'off' with the race. They aren't going to realize it because people whine on forums, they'll realize it when they see an imbalance in tournament results that they treat with credibility, and right now nothing has more credibility than the GSL.
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On September 09 2011 06:04 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:18 Poopi wrote:[quote] Zergs players can't win against Mvp . Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved! Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late. bomber beat him again in gstl quite easily. Bomber is better then mvp at macro games, but in short games i have my doubts.
Qxc also beat MVP in gstl. I wouldn't say qxc is better that MVP though. MVP has never been great in team league
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Two more protoss gone. Can't say I'm surprised.
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Not as many players play the other races. You can't tell me that one of the top 5 protoss, anypro, who loses to 6 pools, is on the same level as the other top 5 terrans like sc or polt. Zerg has been doing great this season, but in reality it's just nestea, losira, DRG, and leenock tearing it up, with the other zergs not doing great, ever.
Terran just attracted the best players, and naturally most people want to play terran, so most good players went there. I'm sure if nestea or SC played Protoss, they'd be the new MC, or if sc or bomber played Zerg they'd be pushing off nestea.
So quit the balance whine. It's going to be interesting next season whene very P/Z brings their a-game in vT.
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On September 09 2011 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:18 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:06 Terrestrialrage wrote:
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I could see a zerg taking this season with a line-up like that. That is an extraordinary list of talent coming from the Z side. P is just screwed and I wouldnt be surprised if there was 0-2 Ps in the Ro16 (Puzzle is pretty good, Huk almost as good). While there may be a lot of Ts, I could see the Ro4 being 2Z 2T. Brackets arent posted yet so I'm hoping we dont see any DRG/Nestea/Losira/Leenock combination in the Ro32.
Zergs players can't win against Mvp . Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved! Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late.
He didn't become a monster. He was always really good at TvZ and TvT, but had really weak TvP, but for some reason TvP became really easy for Terrans. Out of all his match-ups now, TvT is the biggest chance for someone to take him down.
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On September 09 2011 06:46 Belial88 wrote:
Not as many players play the other races. You can't tell me that one of the top 5 protoss, anypro, who loses to 6 pools, is on the same level as the other top 5 terrans like sc or polt. Zerg has been doing great this season, but in reality it's just nestea, losira, DRG, and leenock tearing it up, with the other zergs not doing great, ever.
Terran just attracted the best players, and naturally most people want to play terran, so most good players went there. I'm sure if nestea or SC played Protoss, they'd be the new MC, or if sc or bomber played Zerg they'd be pushing off nestea.
So quit the balance whine. It's going to be interesting next season whene very P/Z brings their a-game in vT.
The argument that all the best players went to terran is ridiculous. People love to reference broodwar players coming to SC2....
But both Tester and Sangho were more talented than any of the B-teamers who chose terran like Bomber or Puma (even zergs like DRG and Nestea) - yet these guys can't find success (hint: because they are protoss)
I think it's ridiculous to say "Terran has all the best players!" - it's simply not true
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On September 09 2011 06:44 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:04 rareh wrote:On September 09 2011 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:On September 09 2011 05:17 oncearunner wrote:On September 09 2011 05:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 09 2011 05:06 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:58 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:49 babylon wrote:On September 09 2011 04:35 Poopi wrote:On September 09 2011 04:32 babylon wrote:
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Bomber can take out MVP and he's definitely mortal in TvZ. Problem solved!
Now we just have to make sure Bomber doesn't dick around too much in his matches and lose before he comes up against MVP ... might be a difficult task, unfortunately. I'm not really sure that Bomber can beat Mvp if Mvp has to win (remember code A winner or runner-up had the same prize : choose ur up&down group and little money) in all honesty. And even if he were able, Mvp is looking particulary in shape recently, in every match-up So just because the monetary prize and the advantages of winning Code A were similar, you don't think MVP tried? Riiiiiight. I'm not saying that Bomber will beat MVP if they ever meet up again, but what I am saying is that he probably has the best chance of beating him over any other player currently in Code S, jetlag and screwing around notwithstanding. They are friends and practiced together. Mvp didn't have the o-face and didn't seem affected by his losses. And he was sick for his matches, maybe for the final too. I remember him getting supply blocked quite a couple times and that doesn't look Mvp-like at all. I don't know what you're arguing. Are you denying that Bomber has the best chance out of all the players in the GSL at taking out MVP? It's definitely Bomber in my opinion. I can't see anyone else holding a candle to August - September MVP. it wasnt long ago that Bomber won 4-2 over MVP in code A finals. Just sayin Dude that was 4 months ago, that is an incredible gap of time, MVP has just became a complete monster as of late. bomber beat him again in gstl quite easily. Bomber is better then mvp at macro games, but in short games i have my doubts. Qxc also beat MVP in gstl. I wouldn't say qxc is better that MVP though. MVP has never been great in team league
The last I checked, qxc doesn't have a winning record against MVP.
Look, MVP is unbeatable in TvZ. He's untouchable in TvP as well given the current state of the game. He is incredibly good at TvT, but he isn't invincible, as we've all seen before. It is not unreasonable to say that a Terran would have the best chance to take him out, and since Bomber's TvT is at least as good as MVP's, he is probably the man you'd bet on, if you were going to bet on someone to beat MVP. That is all.
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On September 09 2011 07:01 babylon wrote:
The last I checked, qxc doesn't have a winning record against MVP.
Whens the last time you checked?
Theres only been one game of them televised (unless I'm mistaken), and qxc won it lol
+ Show Spoiler +not saying that qxc is necessarily better; just pointing out
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