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Stop with the stupid TT1 discussion, this topic is no place for it and you can all express your likes and dislikes in a more respectful and constructive manner. ~Nyovne |
On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud.
game 1 mvp did a 2 barracks 1 factory all-in, which gets you more marines and tanks, and is nearly a perfect counter to the mass sentry expand build HuK likes to use
game 2 mvp looked to be doing 1/1/1 but then HuK attacked with void rays. mvp then just massed up with another barracks or two and ended the game, although he never really leveraged his starport
so all in all i would say mvp sorta went 1/1/1? i attribute game 1 to mvp just having a real good idea of what HuK likes to do against 1/1/1 and coming up with a different build that is essentially a hard counter. game 2 did look to be 1/1/1 but mvp could have been trying to play it safe as metalopolis in close air positions is a common map for void ray builds
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you guys are taking that fucking tweet way too serious and forgetting the ending of it, where he states progamers gotta do what it takes to win
they're progamers, they get paid to fucking win, hop off the "everything terran does to win is imba" train and think further
and to clarify on the build...
"the 1/1/1" that you're all batshit scared of (and for good reason of course) is comprised of the following:
marines
tanks
banshees
raven (optional)
so now you're calling it a 1/1/1 when they do marine tank medivac, marine tank and no starport at all, marine tank, marine anything, expand and do anything, they're fucking teching up to what they need
in the series vs huk this morning:
game 1 was a marine tank push that shits on 1gate FE -> robo, scouted and countered. might have been predetermined cuz its a strong push, but it was a build order loss for huk since he didn't have anything to stop it due to FE/going robo instead of more gateways
game 2 was a psuedo allin based on reaction (seemingly, cant say for sure cuz im not mvp), he countered the void ray and saw huk had no chance of stopping him from winning right then and there, and thats what he did
by the way, again no banshee/raven
game 3 was the macro game that didnt involve tanks or banshees or anything in the terran arsenal that you guys (protoss) bitch about. oh wait, you bitch about anything a terran does. mule op, scan op, marine op, medivac op, FE op, bunker op, marine op, omfg he has a factory and a starport even tho factory is floating to scout, its 1/1/1!!!!!!!!!!!! oh forgot to mention marauder op
macro game happened, huk played poorly and mvp played near perfect, the result was completely expected and justified
game ended with mvp having completed his 6th base (gold at that), while huk was on 2
jesus christ you all need to settle down with just constantly jumping back to that tweet
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On September 01 2011 02:05 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 01:55 Qaatar wrote:On September 01 2011 01:50 babylon wrote:On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud. Well, Huk did say that he wanted MVP to 1/1/1 because he thought he knew the counter. Maybe MVP was just obliging him.  Exactly. The guy got what he asked for - what more can you ask.  )) He said 1-1-1 players should be banned, what the fuck. Asking or not hes doing an activity he thinks so unfair, and is so confident that its unfair, that it was at least enough for him in exasperation to say it should be removed through tournament rules. Being asked to do something in your own mind so imbalanced doesnt exactly undue the hypocrisy, like, whatsoever in anyway...
MVP thinks 1-1-1 is abusive and it should be banned.
However, Huk claims that 1-1-1 is easy to stop and wants MVP to use it.
What better way for MVP to make his point and use it against Huk? MVP didn't use the 1-1-1 to win. He used it to prove Huk wrong.
If you think MVP used 1-1-1 to get an easy win in a Bo3 series, you clearly need to re-watch the other 2 games because MVP was better in everything: mechanics, micro, strategy, etc.
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On September 01 2011 02:05 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 01:55 Qaatar wrote:On September 01 2011 01:50 babylon wrote:On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud. Well, Huk did say that he wanted MVP to 1/1/1 because he thought he knew the counter. Maybe MVP was just obliging him. Exactly. The guy got what he asked for - what more can you ask. )) He said 1-1-1 players should be banned, what the fuck. Asking or not hes doing an activity he thinks so unfair, and is so confident that its unfair, that it was at least enough for him in exasperation to say it should be removed through tournament rules. Being asked to do something in your own mind so imbalanced doesnt exactly undue the hypocrisy, like, whatsoever in anyway...
MVP didn't 1-1-1 in either game...what are you even talking about.
edit: woops didn't notice it was BO5 xD watching game 3 now O_o
edit2: And nope, not a 1-1-1 in game 3 either.
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On September 01 2011 02:13 kineticSYN wrote:
you guys are taking that fucking tweet way too serious and forgetting the ending of it, where he states progamers gotta do what it takes to win
they're progamers, they get paid to fucking win, hop off the "everything terran does to win is imba" train and think further
and to clarify on the build...
"the 1/1/1" that you're all batshit scared of (and for good reason of course) is comprised of the following:
marines
tanks
banshees
raven (optional)
so now you're calling it a 1/1/1 when they do marine tank medivac, marine tank and no starport at all, marine tank, marine anything, expand and do anything, they're fucking teching up to what they need
in the series vs huk this morning:
game 1 was a marine tank push that shits on 1gate FE -> robo, scouted and countered. might have been predetermined cuz its a strong push, but it was a build order loss for huk since he didn't have anything to stop it due to FE/going robo instead of more gateways
game 2 was a psuedo allin based on reaction (seemingly, cant say for sure cuz im not mvp), he countered the void ray and saw huk had no chance of stopping him from winning right then and there, and thats what he did
by the way, again no banshee/raven
game 3 was the macro game that didnt involve tanks or banshees or anything in the terran arsenal that you guys (protoss) bitch about. oh wait, you bitch about anything a terran does. mule op, scan op, marine op, medivac op, FE op, bunker op, marine op, omfg he has a factory and a starport even tho factory is floating to scout, its 1/1/1!!!!!!!!!!!! oh forgot to mention marauder op
macro game happened, huk played poorly and mvp played near perfect, the result was completely expected and justified
game ended with mvp having completed his 6th base (gold at that), while huk was on 2
jesus christ you all need to settle down with just constantly jumping back to that tweet
How about yourself down. Why do you say you guys(Protoss) like if everyone was thinking what you just said? That's just retarded.
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I love HuK and part of me wishes he won but anyone who thinks HuK is good enough to beat MVP in a series this season is kidding themselves. MVP is on fire and has taken down far more formidable opponents on his way to HuK.
I really did wish HuK could take a game or two off him though.
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On September 01 2011 02:18 Ranir wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 02:13 kineticSYN wrote:
you guys are taking that fucking tweet way too serious and forgetting the ending of it, where he states progamers gotta do what it takes to win
they're progamers, they get paid to fucking win, hop off the "everything terran does to win is imba" train and think further
and to clarify on the build...
"the 1/1/1" that you're all batshit scared of (and for good reason of course) is comprised of the following:
marines
tanks
banshees
raven (optional)
so now you're calling it a 1/1/1 when they do marine tank medivac, marine tank and no starport at all, marine tank, marine anything, expand and do anything, they're fucking teching up to what they need
in the series vs huk this morning:
game 1 was a marine tank push that shits on 1gate FE -> robo, scouted and countered. might have been predetermined cuz its a strong push, but it was a build order loss for huk since he didn't have anything to stop it due to FE/going robo instead of more gateways
game 2 was a psuedo allin based on reaction (seemingly, cant say for sure cuz im not mvp), he countered the void ray and saw huk had no chance of stopping him from winning right then and there, and thats what he did
by the way, again no banshee/raven
game 3 was the macro game that didnt involve tanks or banshees or anything in the terran arsenal that you guys (protoss) bitch about. oh wait, you bitch about anything a terran does. mule op, scan op, marine op, medivac op, FE op, bunker op, marine op, omfg he has a factory and a starport even tho factory is floating to scout, its 1/1/1!!!!!!!!!!!! oh forgot to mention marauder op
macro game happened, huk played poorly and mvp played near perfect, the result was completely expected and justified
game ended with mvp having completed his 6th base (gold at that), while huk was on 2
jesus christ you all need to settle down with just constantly jumping back to that tweet How about yourself down. Why do you say you guys(Protoss) like if everyone was thinking what you just said? That's just retarded.
Pretty sure the guy was getting frustrated at "111" being used to describe T builds that aren't 111's (the term implies all-in, and implies units from all 3 tech trees). I agree with him.
MVP might have faked 111, but that's just smart play.
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On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore.
No actually he didn't but thanks for posting without actually seeing the games just to hate on a player.
/facepalm
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  ryung.............
gahhh. Ryung had a very good chance in beating MVP... I doubt July will put any fight vs MVP.
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On September 01 2011 02:05 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 01:55 Qaatar wrote:On September 01 2011 01:50 babylon wrote:On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud. Well, Huk did say that he wanted MVP to 1/1/1 because he thought he knew the counter. Maybe MVP was just obliging him. Exactly. The guy got what he asked for - what more can you ask. )) He said 1-1-1 players should be banned, what the fuck. Asking or not hes doing an activity he thinks so unfair, and is so confident that its unfair, that it was at least enough for him in exasperation to say it should be removed through tournament rules. Being asked to do something in your own mind so imbalanced doesnt exactly undue the hypocrisy, like, whatsoever in anyway...
Dude, he was specifically talking about the Marine/Tank/Banshee(Raven) all-in. He didn't do that. In fact in game 2, he was reacting to the failed void-ray bust by Huk.
Secondly, I'm pretty sure he was joking(edit: I mean exaggerating for effect) when he said that players should banned for doing that all-in. Lol, if you think he meant it literally.
Thirdly, unlike you and I, he's not playing for fun. This is his livelihood we're talking about.
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On September 01 2011 02:05 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 01:55 Qaatar wrote:On September 01 2011 01:50 babylon wrote:On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud. Well, Huk did say that he wanted MVP to 1/1/1 because he thought he knew the counter. Maybe MVP was just obliging him. Exactly. The guy got what he asked for - what more can you ask. )) He said 1-1-1 players should be banned, what the fuck. Asking or not hes doing an activity he thinks so unfair, and is so confident that its unfair, that it was at least enough for him in exasperation to say it should be removed through tournament rules. Being asked to do something in your own mind so imbalanced doesnt exactly undue the hypocrisy, like, whatsoever in anyway...
Sorry for the double post
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On September 01 2011 02:25 MagusPage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 02:05 lizzard_warish wrote:On September 01 2011 01:55 Qaatar wrote:On September 01 2011 01:50 babylon wrote:On September 01 2011 01:46 lizzard_warish wrote:
So MVP actually went 1-1-1 builds despite saying people who do them should be banned from tournys? lol, I have no respect for this guy anymore. At least keep to the points you make for crying out loud. Well, Huk did say that he wanted MVP to 1/1/1 because he thought he knew the counter. Maybe MVP was just obliging him. Exactly. The guy got what he asked for - what more can you ask. )) He said 1-1-1 players should be banned, what the fuck. Asking or not hes doing an activity he thinks so unfair, and is so confident that its unfair, that it was at least enough for him in exasperation to say it should be removed through tournament rules. Being asked to do something in your own mind so imbalanced doesnt exactly undue the hypocrisy, like, whatsoever in anyway... Dude, he was specifically talking about the Marine/Tank/Banshee(Raven) all-in. He didn't do that. In fact in game 2, he was reacting to the failed void-ray bust by Huk. Secondly, I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said that players should banned for doing that all-in. Lol, if you think he meant it literally. Thirdly, unlike you and I, he's not playing for fun. This is his livelihood we're talking about.
I think he did mean it actually. When you consider that people make their living off of the game, when a build is overwhelmingly unbeatable (At the highest level. Us ladder players are meaningless), its having an advantage in your career which isn't tied to your abilities as a worker. Regardless, MVP did not 1-1-1, as you said.
I'm a huge fan of HuK, but people are letting themselves be fanboys. HuK isn't anywhere near the level of MVP and these games made that really clear. Even disregarding the first 2 games, MVP manhandled HuK in game 3. Outplayed, outsmarted...Just plain wrecked.
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MVP beat Huk... obviously because Terran 1-base > Protoss counter in metagame atm
But JULY, DAMN :D
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3T and 1 Zerg in the final four.
Would be pretty good if it were a TOP vs July finals. Could be similar to a TOP vs FruitDealer series like in open season 2
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yay for july and mvp! i wanted them to win. especially happy for july i hope he gets more recognition.
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I find it hilarious that people are claiming MVP did a "1-1-1" in game two. He didn't. Don't be stupid. Having the three main production buildings of Terran does not a 1-1-1 make.
Furthermore, let's not forget that MVP completely outclassed Huk in game three which was not a one base build at all. Don't pretend that MVP only won because of one basing. MVP won because he's better than Huk and played better than Huk.
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-_-' i feel like banshee expand builds will now be known as 1/1/1 all in builds.
you guys realize that 1/1/1 expand has been part of the metagame for EVER, and since they were close air positions, it's likely that MVP was merely going to poke with the banshee to harass while he takes his expansion. it was HuK who forced his hand when he went voidray which gave MVP the opportunity to make the push, he even saw the voidray, cancelled his banshee/cloak and got out a viking.
How is going marine/tank/medivac + 1 viking = 1/1/1 all in?
He even used his fucking viking to scout HuK's main and saw that he was vulnerable to an all in attack at that point. so if you're mvp, you scout you see that, and you have 400 minerals to take your expansion soon, what do you do, take the expansion and risk letting huk get back into the game for a failed voidray play? Or do you throw down 2 raxes, and prep for the timing push.
game 1 was the same sort of deal, marine tank push != 1/1/1 all in. Have people forgotten all of the marine/tank pushes that happened when GSL Crossfire was first brought to the map pool? This push has existed forever, it's not the same all in that people are crying about. and again, like others have stated, MVP scouted Huk's play (cmon it's easy to scout a 1 gate FE) and reacted to it.
just like in game 3 MvP opted to go for a unique 3 CC all marine build before gas because he both knew the far travel distance of Daybreak, and he scouted the 3 gate expand which meant that huk wasn't trying anything non-standard.
All this "i lost respect for MVP for doing 1/1/1 even though he said it should be bannable" is silly. He didn't 1/1/1 in any of the games. Watch a ton of SjoW's replays, he goes banshee expand all the time against protoss, it's NOT AN ALL IN JUST CUZ YOU BUILT 1 RAX 1 FACT 1 STARPORT.
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1-1-1 is a build order that builds 1 barracks followed by 1 factory followed by 1 starport. It's a standard Terran build order that gives access to most easy tech paths and was popular for a while in Season 1 and the beta until Protoss started becoming extremely aggressive against it off of 1 base.
The infamous 1-1-1 all in is a 1 base timing attack with Marines, Siege Tanks, Banshees and a Raven sometimes.
MvP didn't do that once.
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rofl people make me laugh, so now anything terran does is 111 ?
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