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Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
August 30 2011 12:18 GMT
#1441
Optimus vs MVP would actually be a pretty nice finals.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 30 2011 12:19 GMT
#1442
On August 30 2011 21:18 NExt wrote:
Optimus vs IMMVP finals. theres just no one standing in their way anymore.

pretty excited for the finals actually. unless thers a big upset but i srsly cant see anyone taken either down.



I wouldn't count out Ryung if he can get past July. I watch loaaaaaaaads of TvT's, and the way he's been playing it lately has looked nothing short of amazing. Mvp vs Ryung would be an epic series.

Dev11
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia152 Posts
August 30 2011 12:19 GMT
#1443
On August 30 2011 21:18 Deshkar wrote:
Optimus vs MVP would actually be a pretty nice finals.


Would it really?

I have seen enough TvT's to last me several lifetimes I think..
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 12:22:25
August 30 2011 12:20 GMT
#1444
On August 30 2011 21:16 Beardedclam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:14 Blackk wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:13 Mereel wrote:
i dont know man.....if terrans start using planetary to defend positions on the map something is wrong with that feature.

i dont think its meant to be used like that.


Well it's not like protoss can't do something similar with photon cannons


We can't repair cannons though.



I agree planetary is just too strong.They dont count food they can be repaired,armor upgrades.
I dont know how Blizzard came out of this idea
hi
Beardedclam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 12:21:47
August 30 2011 12:20 GMT
#1445
On August 30 2011 21:17 willz22912 wrote:
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On August 30 2011 21:11 Ruscour wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:08 deathly rat wrote:
No Terran isn't the best race, it's just that all the Terran players are better than Zerg and Protoss

You can't actually believe this. TOP is the better player, but you'd have to be incredibly ignorant not to see that Terran is very very strong right now, it is nigh on impossible to hold the 1/1/1, as well as these Ghost timings, while Terran has the advantage in the lategame.


Ironically the only game Top lost was his 1/1/1 attempt. He pretty much played it straight up macro (he's one of the best at it) the rest of the games, as evidenced by consistently being +50 food above Genius.

Also, regarding your ghost timing. He didn't actually commit any time with the fast ghosts he built. He scanned, saw that it wasn't favorable, and just took a 3rd/4th and macro'd. So I really don't see anything blatantly op in Terran vs Protoss here. It wasn't the race, it was the player.


The thing is Genius has to get a 2nd gas and scout to make sure a 1/1/1 isn't coming so he has to play from behind. The 1/1/1 isn't just very strong but it also lets Terran get ahead in games where they don't do 1/1/1. This way Top is able to get enough units out to take a fast third and from there his crazy macro takes off. He also keeps dropping and Genius can't leave his base for a timing attack when Top gets a fast third. He tried to do this 2 games but Top kept dropping securing the 3rd.
"bye bye" - genius "#$@% you" - Idra------------|Genius|DRG|Keen|---------Breakfast.213
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
August 30 2011 12:20 GMT
#1446
On August 30 2011 21:18 IVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:13 aresendez88 wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:11 Promises wrote:
Top simply outplayed Genius there, Genius made some pretty big mistakes. Well done Top! On the other hand, I'd rather watch some sappy romcom then more TvT, so in that regard I'm sad =/


I find myself rooting for Non-Terrans a lot even though that's my main race just because I enjoy watching something else other than TvT on the GSL.

But I have to admit, the Terran players are just so good! They tend to make fewer mistakes and the mistakes they do make aren't at critical moments like the ones Genius was making in Games 2 and 4.

It's so easy to blame game balance, but it really doesn't have much to do with it at all.


The same old "best players play terran" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagain?



It's not like there aren't fantastic players of the other races also, but even when I see them go down, I just can't bring myself to see it being anything other than good play from the Terran.

MC got brought down in the RO32 because he underestimated Noblesse and MvP just straight outplayed him. Nestea went down to MVP because MVP is Nestea's kryptonite.

You combine that with the fact that there are just way more Terrans in the GSL to begin with and you have the disparity we're seeing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 12:31:23
August 30 2011 12:20 GMT
#1447
On August 30 2011 21:12 NotSoSerious wrote:
Toss doesn't really have a cost effective harassment unit/units,just look at how much pressure Top has put on genius with 1-2 medivacs while toss just sits in his base.



dts burn a $270 scan when a terran army is mineral centric?
especially when TOP has 2 orbitals, and rest PFs

high templar cost 200 resource total and have renewable energy to take out crazy amounts of workers?

all he seriously needed, were like 3-4 stalkers at his third and main, and he could concentrate on splitting his army up better, instead of running in a gigantic line and eating every single emp

micro is what makes you cost effective, and with any unit as your disposal, you can always be *more* cost effective regardless of the race you use

it was so obvious genius was just 1-a-clicking his ball
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
August 30 2011 12:21 GMT
#1448
On August 30 2011 21:19 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:18 NExt wrote:
Optimus vs IMMVP finals. theres just no one standing in their way anymore.

pretty excited for the finals actually. unless thers a big upset but i srsly cant see anyone taken either down.



I wouldn't count out Ryung if he can get past July. I watch loaaaaaaaads of TvT's, and the way he's been playing it lately has looked nothing short of amazing. Mvp vs Ryung would be an epic series.



this is true, i didn't mean the remaining players aren't on the same level.. but MVP TvT, tough tough TOUGH round for the Ryung if he gets through July. excited nonetheless, would love to see Optimus win tbh, hes really underrated.
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 30 2011 12:21 GMT
#1449
On August 30 2011 21:14 Mentalizor wrote:
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On August 30 2011 21:10 nanaoei wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:06 CutthroatCollapse wrote:
what can the protoss do? he cant attack the 2 planetary bases with warpprism drops. planetary so imba



yeah he can, haha,
dts
stalkers outrange by 1 and in general

planetary makes your cc stationary jsut as a nexus is, except a terran can't instantly transport units to defend it

it was bad play in general, i haven't been so annoyed with someone's play in such a long time
TOP was just lolling around with the drops....


I need a copy of your game with range 7 stalkers :o (they've got 6... PF has 6 with the option of upgrading to 7)


I presume he's talking about parking stalkers behind a mineral line so you can sit out of range of the PF but fire away at the scv's
IVN
Profile Joined October 2010
534 Posts
August 30 2011 12:22 GMT
#1450
On August 30 2011 21:14 Blackk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:13 Mereel wrote:
i dont know man.....if terrans start using planetary to defend positions on the map something is wrong with that feature.

i dont think its meant to be used like that.


Well it's not like protoss can't do something similar with photon cannons

They cant. No repair, and the best anti building unit in the game is the marauder.

This is not QQ, just correcting your nonsense.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 30 2011 12:23 GMT
#1451
On August 30 2011 21:20 Benga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:16 Beardedclam wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:14 Blackk wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:13 Mereel wrote:
i dont know man.....if terrans start using planetary to defend positions on the map something is wrong with that feature.

i dont think its meant to be used like that.


Well it's not like protoss can't do something similar with photon cannons


We can't repair cannons though.



I agree planetary is just too strong.They dont count food they can be repaired,armor upgrades.
I dont know how Blizzard came out this idea

Dustin Browder said they thought of as many awesome things as they could and tried to balance them. I"m sure it will be nerfed if it proves OP as time goes on.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
August 30 2011 12:23 GMT
#1452
only an optimus win can save gsl now.while mvp and july are beloved by foreigner theydont seem to have a huge fanbase in korea...
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
August 30 2011 12:23 GMT
#1453
On August 30 2011 21:18 IVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:13 aresendez88 wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:11 Promises wrote:
Top simply outplayed Genius there, Genius made some pretty big mistakes. Well done Top! On the other hand, I'd rather watch some sappy romcom then more TvT, so in that regard I'm sad =/


I find myself rooting for Non-Terrans a lot even though that's my main race just because I enjoy watching something else other than TvT on the GSL.

But I have to admit, the Terran players are just so good! They tend to make fewer mistakes and the mistakes they do make aren't at critical moments like the ones Genius was making in Games 2 and 4.

It's so easy to blame game balance, but it really doesn't have much to do with it at all.


The same old "best players play terran" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagain?



I play Zerg and I agree with him. Genius just played poorly, didn't deal with drops well enough, engaged poorly, stayed with zealot archon after there being a billion ghosts out and so on.
Gantritor
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy112 Posts
August 30 2011 12:24 GMT
#1454
On August 30 2011 21:16 Beardedclam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:14 Blackk wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:13 Mereel wrote:
i dont know man.....if terrans start using planetary to defend positions on the map something is wrong with that feature.

i dont think its meant to be used like that.


Well it's not like protoss can't do something similar with photon cannons


We can't repair cannons though.


Yeah, but cannons costs almost the same as bunkers, and they don't need supply to fire.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 30 2011 12:24 GMT
#1455
lol does this really have to go down this road again?

a) Good players mostly choose terran, that's why there are so many terran
vs
b) Good players are good because they chose terran, that's why there are so many terran

every LR....
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
CarlaBruni
Profile Joined August 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 12:25:53
August 30 2011 12:24 GMT
#1456
On August 30 2011 21:15 zimms wrote:
What happened to storm drops? PFs won't save terrans from those.


storms drop are not used in competitiv sc2 scene

we all know all these players have all the same skill they were all those b teamers yet one race has the initiativ the other has to respond perfectly in a very fast path game /end
Beardedclam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States839 Posts
August 30 2011 12:25 GMT
#1457
On August 30 2011 21:20 aresendez88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:18 IVN wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:13 aresendez88 wrote:
On August 30 2011 21:11 Promises wrote:
Top simply outplayed Genius there, Genius made some pretty big mistakes. Well done Top! On the other hand, I'd rather watch some sappy romcom then more TvT, so in that regard I'm sad =/


I find myself rooting for Non-Terrans a lot even though that's my main race just because I enjoy watching something else other than TvT on the GSL.

But I have to admit, the Terran players are just so good! They tend to make fewer mistakes and the mistakes they do make aren't at critical moments like the ones Genius was making in Games 2 and 4.

It's so easy to blame game balance, but it really doesn't have much to do with it at all.


The same old "best players play terran" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagain?



It's not like there aren't fantastic players of the other races also, but even when I see them go down, I just can't bring myself to see it being anything other than good play from the Terran.

MC got brought down in the RO32 because he underestimated Noblesse and MvP just straight outplayed him. Nestea went down to MVP because MVP is Nestea's kryptonite.

You combine that with the fact that there are just way more Terrans in the GSL to begin with and you have the disparity we're seeing.


It is much much much harder to defend drops than to shift que a couple drops into the bases. By doing this you get so far ahead and it looks like amazing play, which in some cases it is, but it may not be.
"bye bye" - genius "#$@% you" - Idra------------|Genius|DRG|Keen|---------Breakfast.213
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
August 30 2011 12:25 GMT
#1458
On August 30 2011 21:24 CarlaBruni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:15 zimms wrote:
What happened to storm drops? PFs won't save terrans from those.


storms drop are not used in competitiv sc2 scene


I think they'll eventually start being used more especially once the Warp Prism receives its nifty shield buff.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
August 30 2011 12:25 GMT
#1459
On August 30 2011 21:24 CarlaBruni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:15 zimms wrote:
What happened to storm drops? PFs won't save terrans from those.


storms drop are not used in competitiv sc2 scene


Think that was his point. Why aren't they?
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
August 30 2011 12:28 GMT
#1460
TvT finals here we go
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