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On August 24 2011 20:33 Alexj wrote:
So how exactly does protoss overcome vs superior range high damage ground AND superior range high damage air?
Really, I'm genuinly curious about that, balance whining aside
stalkers which get hit by the 13 range tanks :D
lol , basically , we have no answer to vikings.. which is why you go zealot charge + archon etc
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On August 24 2011 20:34 Nocteo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:32 poorcloud wrote:
puzzle cld have gotten charge, no excuse for him there. With charge, he could have beaten the tanks up really bad, then let his colossus do the dmg. Exactly what I was thinking, instead he invested in just a couple of phoenix.
Without those Phoenix he would have lost all the previous attacks :X
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Puzzle opening PvT just as i feel you should. Fast robo ->
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Netherlands19137 Posts
On August 24 2011 20:34 clusen wrote:
Ryung goes for 1-1-1 again (CC/Rax/Depot)
Haha that got a chuckle out of me  .
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On August 24 2011 20:33 Tommie wrote:
Here is to all the 5IQ people who dont know what we mean by 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to Marine Tank Raven Banshee. The raven is optional. Sometimes it comes with stim or combat shields, sometimes it doesnt. Last game was not 1-1-1. It was a failed Marauder Helion brainfart by Ryung who then swithed to Marine Tank Raven. Now stop being so dumb please.
When you just say 1-1-1, you can't expect people to read your mind. Are you sure you're not the one with 5 IQ? Puzzle lost his base and good number of probes to the "failed marauder helion brainfart"
Ryung actively harassed all game and had a better engagement at the end.
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This is so annoying for puzzle, it looks like a 1/1/1, but actually it's just a bio expand. But puzzle can't know this
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sad to see puzzle lose like that after he played his heart out.. ryung did a half assed, horribly executed allin while floating 800mins off 1base but still managed to win t.t
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On August 24 2011 20:32 Mike15xp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:30 Dalavita wrote:On August 24 2011 20:29 Mike15xp wrote:
sad what pvt has become ... That was a good game... it was a close game but not a good game ... one base the whole game is not a good game
It is if the game is interesting and not one-sided, while also having things not seen to much, like marine/tank, the floating factory and viking sniping etc.
I'm not impressed by someones ability to stay <500 minerals on 2base anymore, sorry.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 24 2011 20:34 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:34 Drazerk wrote:On August 24 2011 20:33 Drazerk wrote:On August 24 2011 20:33 Drazerk wrote:On August 24 2011 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On August 24 2011 20:31 Drazerk wrote:Game Two on Dual sight In the top right is  Puzzle While in the bottom left is  Ryung 2:10Barracks / Gateway + first gas on the way 2:50Core + orbital in production 3:30Reactor for ryung Second gas for Puzzle
4:10Expansion on the way for Ryung 4:40Warpgate + robo on the way for puzzle
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Stim on the way for Ryung
puzzle is expanding
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On August 24 2011 20:34 Binabik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:33 Tommie wrote:
Here is to all the 5IQ people who dont know what we mean by 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to Marine Tank Raven Banshee. The raven is optional. Sometimes it comes with stim or combat shields, sometimes it doesnt. Last game was not 1-1-1. It was a failed Marauder Helion brainfart by Ryung who then swithed to Marine Tank Raven. Now stop being so dumb please. Ok so 1-1-1 doesn't mean 1 Barracks, 1 Factory, 1 Starport? Because that seems to be the meaning it has had since 1 year.
The 1 Barracks, 1 Factory, 1 Starport part refers to building them in this order. Most "1-1-1"s are 3-1-1 because most T players build 2 additional Barracks.
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Lol, Wolf's even got original names for his builds
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Oh thank god. Ryung is expanding. Puzzle wins
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On August 24 2011 20:30 TT1 wrote:
puzzle kept defending allin after allin but in the end he died LOL
That does not make any sense at all. Per definition, a game would be over if it was an all-in. After an all-in attack there would be nothing left, because you send everything into one attack.
So maybe you want to thinkg about that for a minute. But probably you won't.
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On August 24 2011 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:34 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 24 2011 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
that wasn't the 1-1-1. dont know if you guys were watching the same game... the 1-1-1 that many consider imbalanced really needs a new name. the 1-1-1 is such a flexible build and which ryung did build a 1-1-1 it was a vastly different composition People could start calling THE 1-1-1.
day9 was right, the 1-1-1 is the most uncreative name imaginable lol... we need better terminology
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On August 24 2011 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:33 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2011 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
that wasn't the 1-1-1. dont know if you guys were watching the same game... One barracks one factory one starport? Are all zerg builds the same for you too?
But that's what the 1/1/1 refers to since beta. It's 1 rax -> 1 fact -> 1 port. That is 1/1/1
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On August 24 2011 20:34 Binabik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:33 Tommie wrote:
Here is to all the 5IQ people who dont know what we mean by 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to Marine Tank Raven Banshee. The raven is optional. Sometimes it comes with stim or combat shields, sometimes it doesnt. Last game was not 1-1-1. It was a failed Marauder Helion brainfart by Ryung who then swithed to Marine Tank Raven. Now stop being so dumb please. Ok so 1-1-1 doesn't mean 1 Barracks, 1 Factory, 1 Starport? Because that seems to be the meaning it has had since 1 year.
then in games which last 10mins ++ every build would be called 111
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On August 24 2011 20:34 Binabik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 20:33 Tommie wrote:
Here is to all the 5IQ people who dont know what we mean by 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to Marine Tank Raven Banshee. The raven is optional. Sometimes it comes with stim or combat shields, sometimes it doesnt. Last game was not 1-1-1. It was a failed Marauder Helion brainfart by Ryung who then swithed to Marine Tank Raven. Now stop being so dumb please. Ok so 1-1-1 doesn't mean 1 Barracks, 1 Factory, 1 Starport? Because that seems to be the meaning it has had since 1 year.
It does. Because there is a working unit variant just makes the 1-1-1 even scarier now. 1-1-1 builds evolve faster than the defenses to counter them and they already have a crazy winrate.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
That was actually a really cute game from Ryung. He didn't really use the imbalanced 1-1-1 build, but he used something similar, and Puzzle had no clue what was going on. Ryung did a great job managing the information that Puzzle recieved.
But Puzzle had chances to win that. The difference was that Puzzle's control wasn't so hot at times, and that Ryung played really safe, yet still managed to put a ton of pressure on Puzzle. The result was that Puzzle had no idea what to expect, and was forced into as much a safe style as Ryung.
That's a huge advantage for Ryung, because terran can play that type of style (lift cc, mules, ect.) and protoss cannot. Really smart mindgames and execution from Ryung, even as Puzzle did a pretty good job of figuring out Ryung's intentions anyway.
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On August 24 2011 20:33 Tommie wrote:
Here is to all the 5IQ people who dont know what we mean by 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to Marine Tank Raven Banshee. The raven is optional. Sometimes it comes with stim or combat shields, sometimes it doesnt. Last game was not 1-1-1. It was a failed Marauder Helion brainfart by Ryung who then swithed to Marine Tank Raven. Now stop being so dumb please.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/1Rax_1Fact_1Port
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