EPT[GSL] Aug Code S RO16 Day 1 - Page 157
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movac
Canada494 Posts
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:36 delchuu wrote: The Game between MVPKeen and ST_Bomber was pretty strange i mean Bomber was like the Fav in every way and he lost due some strange "Tactics" by Keen.. i didnt even know that Guy before to be honest. You must have not watched any GSL the previous like 2 seasons then. Keen is a great Terran, not on Bomber's level but he obviously played better today. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
Hopefully you'll learn to be mentally toughter against opponents that have a psychological edge over you. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:18 Clog wrote: Wow Optimus played sooo bad in Game 2. I thought MMA would be screwed after his "TheBest" banshee control and pulling scvs to defend pushes. Someone tell Optimus attacking into giant siege tank lines is bad... and to finish the supply depot wall after like the 5th hellion runby >.< Sorry to sound hateful, but man, to have a 25ish supply lead and lose to silly things like that... Why tell him that attacking into giant siege lines is bad? It helped him win the Super Tournament against MMA. He got the 25-ish supply lead because he ran into siege lines in the first place. It worked the first time, but didn't work the second time. It also worked the third time at MMA's third base. The fourth time he ran into the siege lines, that was when his economy was already destroyed for him to do anything. Heck, if you consider the fact that his economy was destroyed by harass, he played REALLY well as mentioned by Tastosis actually. As for that supply depot wall. It would've helped, but I really don't think it would've made much of a difference since the main problem was that most of runbys was when Optimus' army was out of position to do anything. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:43 DooMDash wrote: Man it's crazy how people think Polt won GSL because of 1-1-1 when he destroys almost everyone in his path not just Protoss. yet P will think Polt is a great example of 1-1-1 being imba, rather than polt being better. lol wtf are you talking about  ) Polt beat MC with 2 raxes when MC went for 20 Nexus. I think Polt never use 1/1/1 before and nobody ever complain about his play again Protoss at all. And now all out of sudden you say that | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:54 tuho12345 wrote: lol wtf are you talking about ) Polt beat MC with 2 raxes when MC went for 20 Nexus. I think Polt never use 1/1/1 before and nobody ever complain about his play again Protoss at all. And now all out of sudden you say thatHe was one of the terrans who pioneered the 1-1-1 push -_- Check the earlier seasons.. Polt timing attack, or how it was called. Maybe that's the reason for his past TvP successes. | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:42 wklbishop wrote: Why tell him that attacking into giant siege lines is bad? It helped him win the Super Tournament against MMA. He got the 25-ish supply lead because he ran into siege lines in the first place. It worked the first time, but didn't work the second time. It also worked the third time at MMA's third base. The fourth time he ran into the siege lines, that was when his economy was already destroyed for him to do anything. Heck, if you consider the fact that his economy was destroyed by harass, he played REALLY well as mentioned by Tastosis actually. As for that supply depot wall. It would've helped, but I really don't think it would've made much of a difference since the main problem was that most of runbys was when Optimus' army was out of position to do anything. Polt didnt win 4-0 during the ST because he ran into siege lines... he won because he had a much much large army in the early game. The second game today was pretty sloppy by both people. MMA again was caught without an army and the only thing that saved him was the single banshee. MMA expanded to a third way too early and his tank position was really bad. He was caught sieging late a couple of times. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On August 24 2011 04:01 Andr3 wrote: He was one of the terrans who pioneered the 1-1-1 push -_- Check the earlier seasons.. Polt timing attack, or how it was called. Maybe that's the reason for his past TvP successes. Polt pioneered it but he hasn't done it TvP since season 1. He just goes super standard MMM and seems to win every game hitting the right timings. If I win every game just by going MMM I'd do it every game, screw the 1-1-1 stuff. It'll still be there anyways if I ever need an auto-win during a series. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On August 24 2011 04:04 bucckevin wrote: Polt didnt win 4-0 during the ST because he ran into siege lines... he won because he had a much much large army in the early game. The second game today was pretty sloppy by both people. MMA again was caught without an army and the only thing that saved him was the single banshee. MMA expanded to a third way too early and his tank position was really bad. He was caught sieging late a couple of times. I said it helped, not win it completely. Re-watch Super Tournament Finals Set #2, that's the match I was referring to. He was nicknamed the daredevil terran for a bit during that set IIRC during the LR thread though it didn't really catch on but his aggressive style of play did stick. | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
PvT seems a far too fragile match-up over plagued with all-ins. Sure we get some macro game here and there that are cool to watch but most of the time it's a all-in slug fest (at least on GSL). Then on top of this match-up PvP is in the exact same state. It's often a bad match-up relying also on all-ins and 4Gate... Really I hope pro-Protosses come with new ideas in the upcoming seasons or small adjustments are made, these two match ups reek at the moment and I would watch PvZ TvZ TvT and even ZvZ before most of the PvT PvP of late. | ||
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Astro-Penguin
554 Posts
On August 24 2011 04:20 rezoacken wrote: After seeing the games from genius I'm really worried for the current state of the game for protoss. PvT seems a far too fragile match-up over plagued with all-ins. Sure we get some macro game here and there that are cool to watch but most of the time it's a all-in slug fest (at least on GSL). Then on top of this match-up PvP is in the exact same state. It's often a bad match-up relying also on all-ins and 4Gate... Really I hope pro-Protosses come with new ideas in the upcoming seasons or small adjustments are made, these two match ups reek at the moment and I would watch PvZ TvZ TvT and even ZvZ before most of the PvT PvP of late. Personally I believe the reason Genius chose not to macro in the latter stages was not because of his lack of confidence in his mid-late game, more so that he wasen't confident against defending against 1-1-1 styled all ins, because of this he opted for all ins viewing it as his best chance to progress forward. All in all I think it was risky but smart from him, unfortaunley Protoss dont have a really good anwser as of late against this, the best bet is to try and expose a timing against the terran. and personally when it comes to PvP I feel 4 gate is almost needed to keep people honest which results in alot less build order losses, if you make your self safe against 4 Gate then there is no way you can do some rediculousy quick blink all in, dt all in, and etc. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On August 24 2011 04:46 Astro-Penguin wrote: Personally I believe the reason Genius chose not to macro in the latter stages was not because of his lack of confidence in his mid-late game, more so that he wasen't confident against defending against 1-1-1 styled all ins, because of this he opted for all ins viewing it as his best chance to progress forward. All in all I think it was risky but smart from him, unfortaunley Protoss dont have a really good anwser as of late against this, the best bet is to try and expose a timing against the terran. and personally when it comes to PvP I feel 4 gate is almost needed to keep people honest which results in alot less build order losses, if you make your self safe against 4 Gate then there is no way you can do some rediculousy quick blink all in, dt all in, and etc. Oh sure I understand the REASONS, these are are good reasons and reasonably forced at the moment, I'm just stating they results in a crappy viewer (and maybe player) experience. I'm therefore hoping something change for Protoss that would "fix" these two match-ups. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:42 wklbishop wrote: Why tell him that attacking into giant siege lines is bad? It helped him win the Super Tournament against MMA. He got the 25-ish supply lead because he ran into siege lines in the first place. It worked the first time, but didn't work the second time. It also worked the third time at MMA's third base. The fourth time he ran into the siege lines, that was when his economy was already destroyed for him to do anything. Heck, if you consider the fact that his economy was destroyed by harass, he played REALLY well as mentioned by Tastosis actually. As for that supply depot wall. It would've helped, but I really don't think it would've made much of a difference since the main problem was that most of runbys was when Optimus' army was out of position to do anything. Some of the times it was a good idea to attack into the siege tank lines, yeah - but it depends on the positioning and tank count a lot. A couple times there it worked for him, a couple times it was reallly bad. Maybe played "really" well apart from like losing all his scvs. I mean if you play really well most of the game and then make some massive game-ending mistake then yeah... The supply depot wall would have helped a lot in my opinion. Literally all the run-bys were past that partially completed depot wall. Optimus' army was in the middle-ish most of the time, which is where the hellion would have had to have gone if the wall was completed. And of course, as another poster said, MMA didn't play too well in that one either. Would have died several times over if not for a cloaked banshee or two cleaning up Optimus' pushes. The hellion harass was good, but Optimus really made it easy for him. As I was saying earlier I don't mean to be hateful, I thought Optimus actually played really well game 1 and 3. Game 2 just made me go "ewww" a bit. | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:54 tuho12345 wrote: lol wtf are you talking about ) Polt beat MC with 2 raxes when MC went for 20 Nexus. I think Polt never use 1/1/1 before and nobody ever complain about his play again Protoss at all. And now all out of sudden you say thatLOL POLT started the whole 1-1-1. YOu seriously never heard of the Polt timing attack? LOL | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On August 24 2011 05:25 koolaid1990 wrote: LOL POLT started the whole 1-1-1. YOu seriously never heard of the Polt timing attack? LOL HAhahahaha this so much. The 1-1-1 was labeled the Polt timing WAY BACK FOREVER. Can't believe people don't know this. | ||
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Dantat
170 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 24 2011 05:34 ch33psh33p wrote: HAhahahaha this so much. The 1-1-1 was labeled the Polt timing WAY BACK FOREVER. Can't believe people don't know this. Now we know the real reason as to why everyone has such a knee-jerk reaction to Polt. He's responsible for the sorry state of TvP today, the bastard.  | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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