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On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon  Always look for the silver lining. Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning.
You do realize that koreans play Starcraft 2 all day long, all month long. It's called the GSL. I think it would be pretty funny to watch a single series of games and make all sorts of conclusions about imbalance regarding races.
However, it seems to be all everyone is doing here.
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Nerf all 3 races 
No forcefields for protoss.
No 1/1/1 for terran.
No banelings for zerg.
Everyone is happy
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On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining. Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning.
can someone ban this shit? how can somebody spit out so much nonsense? (= bronze level comments )
I'm ok with reading clever comments etc, but this shit with unit versus unit discussion is waste of precious time for all. bleah....I'm done with live reports....back to laddering or reading some proper strategy threads.
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On August 22 2011 04:45 rareh wrote:Nerf all 3 races No forcefields for protoss. No 1/1/1 for terran. No banelings for zerg. Everyone is happy
Protoss lose every game without FF, because terrans still have maruaders and stim.
See above.
When did banelings become OP? Or are you really bad at splitting your marines?
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I think this thread needs to shut down there is no reason complaining about a build with 1 series. It can be op for a period of time in sc scene. But that doesn't make a race op or something. I'm a zerg player and I'm very frustrated with solid macro Terrans. That doesn't mean i can whine about terrans because from my perspective things can be imbalance. However this is not a topic that every random player can talk about or decide something is op or not. It should be discussed very carefully in a time period with people who are really good at Starcraft and these people also should be able to approach three races from an equal view. Sorry for grammar.
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On August 22 2011 04:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining. Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning. You do realize that koreans play Starcraft 2 all day long, all month long. It's called the GSL. I think it would be pretty funny to watch a single series of games and make all sorts of conclusions about imbalance regarding races. However, it seems to be all everyone is doing here.
Yes, we should instead look at the GSL, where all the races do equally well and are all equally represented... er... hmm.
Over half the GSL Code S is terrans.
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On August 22 2011 04:45 rareh wrote:Nerf all 3 races No forcefields for protoss. No 1/1/1 for terran. No banelings for zerg. Everyone is happy
you just made terran 100000x more OP
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On August 22 2011 04:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining. Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning. You do realize that koreans play Starcraft 2 all day long, all month long. It's called the GSL. I think it would be pretty funny to watch a single series of games and make all sorts of conclusions about imbalance regarding races. However, it seems to be all everyone is doing here.
Uhmm...I think you missed about 1-month of Code A, Code S, GSTL, and IMMVP's tweet on how it is broken. Protoss is just slower to QQ than Zerg.
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On August 22 2011 04:48 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:[quote] Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning. You do realize that koreans play Starcraft 2 all day long, all month long. It's called the GSL. I think it would be pretty funny to watch a single series of games and make all sorts of conclusions about imbalance regarding races. However, it seems to be all everyone is doing here. Uhmm...I think you missed about 1-month of Code A, Code S, GSTL, and IMMVP's tweet on how it is broken. Protoss is just slower to QQ than Zerg.
Well we don't have a player like Idra leading the charge. The overmind is paying him for PR.
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Well, at least it seems that all I missed was PuMa roflstomping MC.
Still, kind of sad that I missed that... I mean, MC has been practising with a team all this time, while PuMa practises more or less from home, right? Yet the difference between those players shifted in favor of PuMa.
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protoss without colossus is nothing vs marines marauders.. too bad mc didnt managed to win a single match.. 
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I'm sure the majority of pro players (not all of them though) are not whining and are working on a solution. People should just be happy for one second. Things like this happen all the time. A player figures out a build that no one knows how to beat and all the other players of that race start using it and everyone complains until someone steps up and finds a counter.
Happened in Brood War all the time. Bisu (who was a no one) devastates Savior (who was a god among men) 3-0 using a new strategy and then protoss goes on to beat zerg left and right until zerg figured out a solution. Zerg starts using 2-hatch muta and no terran can survive. Now 2-hatch muta is nothing.
Things get nerfed and buff for good reasons and though people like to hate on blizzard they tend to make mostly good decisions. Don't just whine at what ever the flavor of the month is.
Just be positive for once...
I'm not commenting on 1-1-1 balance or imbalance I'm just saying a majority of people just whine about everything.
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On August 22 2011 04:51 ambient_orange wrote:protoss without colossus is nothing vs marines marauders.. too bad mc didnt managed to win a single match..
This is part of why I think colossus need to go. Too important of a unit for toss and almost everything centers around getting or not getting them. Take them out and add in something that requires a bit less commitment but is versatile. Immortals as well are too easily outclassed by colossi.
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On August 22 2011 04:47 lolsixtynine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On August 22 2011 04:36 hi im new wrote:On August 22 2011 04:05 Dariusz wrote:On August 22 2011 04:03 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 03:55 tdt wrote:On August 22 2011 03:38 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote:On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:[quote] Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold. PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans . I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. 1-1-1 has been around since the beta. It was potent then it's more potenter now due to constant protoss nerfs. So you're taking issue with the word 'discovered', right? OK, conceded. Which nerfs in particular would you blame for this increased potency? 3 gate stargate and 4 gate were counters to 1/1/1 which is why it disappeared. Now VR only does 25 DPS to bunker/depot where terren is hold up teching instea of 41 DPS (with VR nerf). Now one round on units less comes to front door which is not enough to break it anymore with WG nerf. I think the warp gate nerf will be undone. It didn't fix PvP at all. Didn't they nerf VR for the sake of team games? It won't change the fact that you shouldn't expand and make shit ton of probes when you think 1 base allin is coming. WG 20s nerf has nothing to do with it, would you stop with this wine already? You all so mad, just switch to terran and make blizzard patch it if you think it's broken, Your whining isn't doing any good. staying 1 base vs 1 base is suicide. tvp even base t always wins (because mules). especially in an allin situation (because mules). terran nerfs will probably come after those games. i honestly don't even understand why there are still terrans left who believe their race isn't op. some even go as far as thinking its actually toss that is op. a majority of sc2 players including terran finally seems to have understood that terran is op and yet some closeminded people still can't take a step back and think for a second to see the truth. mc played so obviously 100 times better than puma in all three games. even his strategy in game 3 was brilliant. he was planning the basetrade all along by the way. game 2 he lost due to a critical micro mistake which could be argued as ok, but honestly: why should mc lose a game where he is RIDICULOUSLY far ahead just because he made one mistake in an otherwise flawless game? puma didn't even play particularly good or anything. game one was just silly. why would you not immidiatly lose the game when an attack that you also invest half your workers in fails horribly? why in the FUCK would you be able to just, you know, do it again a few minutes later and then win? terran is broken there is just no question about it. and it is NOT limited to 1-1-1, instead it's the combination of mules and marines which both are op in themselves that break this race. 1-1-1 isn't op because banshees or tanks (lol) or anything. it's because marines are too good and ALSO mules allow you to have way more of them than you should have. i mean think about it for one second: terran is able to support 7 or so production facilities (including some tech) on 1 base that isn't even fully saturated now how idiotic is that?!?? marines: tier 1 ranged unit that deals more dps than a stalker (sad but true, look it up) that costs no gas. same price as a worker. they also have the 2nd best dps per cost (best for ranged units) in the game. thanks to instantly hitting projectiles they also don't have any damage overkill. they do not have a lot of hp but surprise! blizzard decided it would be a good idea to give them a cheap and quickly researched t1 upgrade that increases their hp! protoss can't even (fully) support 4 gateways without any tech on one base let alone hope to somehow turn it into a normal game if you can't kill him straight away.. zerg on one base isn't even worth mentioning. You do realize that koreans play Starcraft 2 all day long, all month long. It's called the GSL. I think it would be pretty funny to watch a single series of games and make all sorts of conclusions about imbalance regarding races. However, it seems to be all everyone is doing here. Yes, we should instead look at the GSL, where all the races do equally well and are all equally represented... er... hmm. Over half the GSL Code S is terrans.
Majority of people that didn't make it to playoffs are terran.
Code S and Code A finals didn't have a single terran last season.
I guess that means terran is under-powered.
Hey i am using the GSL
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On August 22 2011 04:51 Shrimpy949 wrote:
I'm sure the majority of pro players (not all of them though) are not whining and are working on a solution. People should just be happy for one second. Things like this happen all the time. A player figures out a build that no one knows how to beat and all the other players of that race start using it and everyone complains until someone steps up and finds a counter.
Happened in Brood War all the time. Bisu (who was a no one) devastates Savior (who was a god among men) 3-0 using a new strategy and then protoss goes on to beat zerg left and right until zerg figured out a solution. Zerg starts using 2-hatch muta and no terran can survive. Now 2-hatch muta is nothing.
Things get nerfed and buff for good reasons and though people like to hate on blizzard they tend to make mostly good decisions. Don't just whine at what ever the flavor of the month is.
Just be positive for once...
Exactly, I always think BW is more imbalanced than SC2. In BW, it usually takes 1 or 2 year to solve a build. And terrans are certainly favored in BW all the time. The difference is that SC2 has much easier control mechanics which magnify the minor imbalance. I believe the solution will definitely come. The more blizzard patch, the more balance whining there will be.
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I think broodlords should fire out banelings instead of broodlings. Same with buildings when they die.
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does anyone else think Ghost counters a whole race?
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Great to see that Puma roflstomped MC.
Puma FIGHTING!
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On August 22 2011 04:50 JustPassingBy wrote:
Well, at least it seems that all I missed was PuMa roflstomping MC.
Still, kind of sad that I missed that... I mean, MC has been practising with a team all this time, while PuMa practises more or less from home, right? Yet the difference between those players shifted in favor of PuMa.
MC played a lot better than PuMa. Watch the games.
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Any other P terrified to ladder after that finals? After every finals, builds the winning race does are always spammed non-stop by ladder players. I DO NOT want to face any amount of 1/1/1 T_T
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