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-Caster/Stream/player bashing;
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kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4941
On August 22 2011 02:42 Chicane wrote:
Standard QQ... people just can't let a player lose who plays the same race as them without complaining.


People were fine with Puma winning NASL over MC. People are just not fine with 1-1-1 especially when we're watched it being used to win so many games.
netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4942
On August 22 2011 02:41 Teejing wrote:
i missed this event because of dota 2 ~~ , any epic games i should check out later?


Game 3 only imo
MC threw the games away in 1+2
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4943
On August 22 2011 02:41 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:40 jazzyjazz wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:39 siri wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 Housemd wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:34 koolaid1990 wrote:
I quit to game. The best protoss in the world loses 3-0 to a mid korean terran Goddammit.


You're fucking kidding me right?


code s vs not even code A?
are you fucking kiddind right?

+ Show Spoiler +

I think MC just dropped into updown this season =(

Lol, put spoilers if you're gonna talk about other tourneys results.


That was almost 2 weeks ago, no need to spoiler... -_-
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4944
Congrats PuMa! Lol there was 3 toss players in top 4 but still some people whining :/
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4945
game 1: mc could've held off the 1-1-1 easily. he made way too many fucking immortals (5). he engaged in a horrible spot thinking he could just win. only had 4 stalkers vs banshees with a pdd. didn't wait until charge was done.

game 2: 3-3 mm + 10 full energy medivacs and ghost. that's going to win vs a pure zealot/stalker/ht army. no archons, colosuss, worse upgrades, let alone one where 3 hts get destroyed instantly.

game 3: awkward fucking game. he couldve tried to suicide his stalkers to kill the raven.. he would have definitely gotten the raven, seeing as how he got 2 tanks that had a pdd covering them with most of the stalker surviving.
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4946
I hope MC won the MVP award, i would be even more sad otherwise
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
izgodlee
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4947
On August 22 2011 02:40 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:39 siri wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 Housemd wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:34 koolaid1990 wrote:
I quit to game. The best protoss in the world loses 3-0 to a mid korean terran Goddammit.


You're fucking kidding me right?


code s vs not even code A?
are you fucking kiddind right?

how the fuck is your korean gsl status an absolute indicator of your skill level?

I'll take puma over hongun any day

only cause hongun is a protoss though, so i'd take puma too
Tamotab
Profile Joined September 2010
France38 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4948
On August 22 2011 02:42 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:36 Caphe wrote:
Well, PvT metagame right now is just Terran favored. Protoss just needs sometime to cope with it. But still I think these 3 games can go either way really.
In the last game, If MC didn't leave with his stalker he can stall the Terran army even more and build up some unit to stand a head to head fight.

I wonder why every unit is weaker than it's counterpart

Storm does 40 DPS EMP does 100
Stim Mauruars do 30 DPS stalkers do 14 DPS
2 tanks do over 25 DPS a more expensive collusi do 18
on own the line Protoss is just weaker.


Gratz you won the prize for the stupidest post in this thread ! And it was not easy, a lot of competition.

MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4949
On August 22 2011 02:43 aut0mati0n wrote:
Song on Stream:

Fire (Phonat remix) by The Young Punx

Thanks!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4950
By far the worst final ever, in my opinion. The guys at GOM might be happy to have friends in the "shitty finals"-team now.

Terran units are just so much more microable. These games showed it and HuK vs Select @ Blizzcon Invitational also show how much medivac+MM+ghost micro can change a battle while slowed chargelots, stalkers and slow ass HT's can't be controlled in the same way.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4951
On August 22 2011 02:38 Jayrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:35 Housemd wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:34 koolaid1990 wrote:
I quit to game. The best protoss in the world loses 3-0 to a mid korean terran Goddammit.


You're fucking kidding me right?

Was there something impressive about Puma in that last game? He literally built a 1 raven, 4 tanks, and all marines and then walked to MC's based with all of his workers... that's literally all he did.

this one game a zerg just made 6 lings and i died, and another game a protoss just made like a handful of zealots and beat me.

I mean every race has a cheesy/all in they can do, and the game just need to be out more so there can be better balance.

Also LR threads always have these balance discussions -_-
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4952
On August 22 2011 02:38 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:37 taLbuk wrote:
Remember when zergs were crying 2 months ago about protoss being unbeatable and than they changed up their strategy and playstyle?

Protoss will do the same ,so instead of QQ'ing on forums hopefully they put their effort into finding a solution, but I'm sure the top toss are trying, granted MC just lost, look what Mana did to PuMa in group stage.


This needs to be quoted.

Infestors buff, spore buff, at least zergs got something.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4953
On August 22 2011 02:41 ParasitJonte wrote:
This is a nice example of meta game retardation we're seeing right now. Not only here but in GSL as well. A lot of terrans rediscovering that there's not much protoss can do against marines+tanks+raven+banshee+scv mixes from one base.

It's pretty sad and I hope we can move past it like we did before. I'm just afrad it's going to come back again and again until a patch makes it less effective.

It's not _supposed_ to be this effective in a good game. It's just not. Protoss will need to retard back almost 1 year and just do stupid one-base defenses and maybe this will go away and we can have good games.


Well said and I agree on all fronts.
Big water
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4954
On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:
wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining.


Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold.
PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans .


If you watch the NASL finals, you can see how great his play is. But this series... doesn't showcase his skill. It showcases how stupid 1-1-1 is.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4955
On August 22 2011 02:40 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Few months ago protoss players were suggesting to zergs to find new playstyles to beat them and not cry about imbalance but when they lose they can't listen to their own advice.


Yeah, I'm just waiting for that amazing new playstyle that beats the 1-1-1 build. Expanding doesn't beat it, stargate doesn't beat it, one base colossi doesn't beat it due to banshees as colossi take up all gas, twilight tech can't beat it, high templar tech off one base + storm would be you praying that you kill every marine and then you still wont have enough to kill the banshees and tanks.

The obvious solution is a new playstyle.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4956
On August 22 2011 02:43 Smaug.GR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:38 Moralez wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:37 taLbuk wrote:
Remember when zergs were crying 2 months ago about protoss being unbeatable and than they changed up their strategy and playstyle?

Protoss will do the same ,so instead of QQ'ing on forums hopefully they put their effort into finding a solution, but I'm sure the top toss are trying, granted MC just lost, look what Mana did to PuMa in group stage.


This needs to be quoted.


Zerg units were buffed idiots, they didn't change any playstyle.

Manner up, kido.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
PBG
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 17:45:37
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4957
On August 22 2011 02:42 alks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:39 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:34 Horse...falcon wrote:
How is Puma not in GSL? Damnnn


Possibly because you can't 1-1-1 in TvT and TvZ?

LOL...

He's not in GSL because code B (code A qualifiers) are freaking hard. He has the skill to be in code S just like Donraegu.


just like MMA(code B prior to getting code S through MLG) took a game off of Nestea

Sure it was a BO1 but good lord he totally outplayed him that game.

Just because they aren't in code A/S, there's some really good Code B players in Korea.

Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4958
On August 22 2011 02:38 chestnutman wrote:
Why is there so much QQ in this thread? Mana showed us how to beat Puma, MC just couldn't do it.


PuMa didn't 1/1/1 all-in MaNa. Go watch the replays again.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
August 21 2011 17:44 GMT
#4959
TaKe needs to step up his english skills
keep it deep! @zulison
PeggyHill
Profile Joined February 2011
1494 Posts
August 21 2011 17:45 GMT
#4960
On August 22 2011 02:43 Grumbels wrote:
Guys, PuMa was better at Brood War than MC too. He made almost no mistakes these games. Of course his strategy is obnoxious, but he still executed it flawlessly and also beat MC in the only macro game.


Losing 3 drops for no damage AND an expansion in game 2 is no mistakes?
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