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K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
August 19 2011 16:47 GMT
#2401
On August 20 2011 01:45 Kralle333 wrote:
why didnt he expand behind this?


That's pointless because he can't drone up anyway.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
Gantzie
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia245 Posts
August 19 2011 16:47 GMT
#2402
i think moonglade did that due to the map and spawning position. Nice try, but sentries shut it down.
Dunked
blowfish
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria238 Posts
August 19 2011 16:47 GMT
#2403
On August 20 2011 01:45 Kralle333 wrote:
why didnt he expand behind this?

It would be really completely missdesigned if a player could expand a third time behind such a pressure built with 26 drones.
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
August 19 2011 16:47 GMT
#2404
On August 20 2011 01:46 BFD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:45 Kralle333 wrote:
why didnt he expand behind this?


Because it's Moonglade


3 Base with 26 Drones, actually makes no sense, but keep on driving the hate train.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
August 19 2011 16:48 GMT
#2405
On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:30 bennyaus wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:29 Zane wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:28 Telcontar wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:27 Vardant wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:25 Ansinjunger wrote:
The first time MC used warp prisms to drop HTs in battle I had no clue where those storms came from. Finally we're seeing this tactic used in SC2. Sickest nerd chills watching PvT since NASL.

That was an awesome moment. I couldn't figure out what happened too for a while. So unexpected.

I seem to remember seeing that recently by another toss. Can't remember who it was though.

MC said he saw Hero do this.


HuK's been doing it on his stream for a couple of months as well...


Pros have been doing it for years in BW also .



I find it funny that BW Terrans imported many of their BW strategies (drops all over, harrass, siege tank pushes) almost immediately to SC2 and tried to make them work. Protoss seem to just be rediscovering what they did for years in BW. Sure, they tried it every now and then, but it seemed they gave up pretty quickly and are now just trying them again.

That warp prism play is very situational. One viking will shut warp prism completely since they are so weak
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
August 19 2011 16:48 GMT
#2406
On August 20 2011 01:45 Kralle333 wrote:
why didnt he expand behind this?

He didn't even have enough drones to saturate 2 bases. That is why he built a macro hatch. He was pretty much all-in.
ToxiAU
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia4 Posts
August 19 2011 16:48 GMT
#2407
Very nice pressure from moonglade, that immortal really helped so much, impressive on mana's part.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 19 2011 16:48 GMT
#2408
Hopefully, we see better play from moonglade. Mana wp.
Don't mind me
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2409
On August 20 2011 01:46 Horse...falcon wrote:
Wait they only played 4 rounds today? Lame. Why stretch it out?


it's a 4 day event and IEM has a lot of different games for spectating

stretching matches out isn't that great for online spectators that are only interested in a single game, but IEM has to schedule for 4 days
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
karn1
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands75 Posts
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2410
Mr Bitter saying: "MoonGlade must be thinking: if Mana is so good at defending, I'll just attack attack attack"
Does anyone else miss the logic there? :-D
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2411
On August 20 2011 01:46 BFD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:45 Kralle333 wrote:
why didnt he expand behind this?


Because it's Moonglade


he is actually known for macro games
For the swarm!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 16:50:07
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2412
On August 20 2011 01:46 Horse...falcon wrote:
Wait they only played 4 rounds today? Lame. Why stretch it out?

Since this is a tournament being held at a tradeshow, they want to start on the first day and end on the final day. Wednesday was group A and B, Thursday was group C and D, today is quarterfinals, tomorrow is semis, and Sunday is 3rd/4th and finals.

i generally only watch BW and SC2, but I have watched some other things on stream during this. I've been trying to broaden my ESPORTS horizon and appreciation, even if I don't start following other games. Consider this a good opportunity to learn about LoL, Halo, whatever football game they were playing, GW2 (!), etc.

EDIT: Or, you know, only watch a bit of Starcraft on a given day and do other stuff.
norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 16:50:28
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2413
Are there more people not joining the live chat, because of the many childish comments, flames and trolls? I used to love the live chat but it just seems to becoming this stupid youngsters act cool behind the pc place.
Are you human?
Freak705
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada231 Posts
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2414
Are there any VODs for this event? I'm at work and I missed the MC vs SeleCt games =(
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 16:50:57
August 19 2011 16:49 GMT
#2415
On August 20 2011 01:45 sleepingdog wrote:
PvZ without a stargate is so hard, Mana outplaying Moonglade on every aspect and he still nearly manages to break through

Have to restrain myself to not balance-QQ


FFE is not always the best strategy with wide open naturals like on metal that require you to lose a lot of production. If that was Shakura's MaNa would have not lost a unit.

Edit: A player like MaNa can hold even on metal though.
Never make a hydralisk.
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
August 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#2416
I love this map as a zerg.. Still, MaNa will take this!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
August 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#2417
On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:30 bennyaus wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:29 Zane wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:28 Telcontar wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:27 Vardant wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:25 Ansinjunger wrote:
The first time MC used warp prisms to drop HTs in battle I had no clue where those storms came from. Finally we're seeing this tactic used in SC2. Sickest nerd chills watching PvT since NASL.

That was an awesome moment. I couldn't figure out what happened too for a while. So unexpected.

I seem to remember seeing that recently by another toss. Can't remember who it was though.

MC said he saw Hero do this.


HuK's been doing it on his stream for a couple of months as well...


Pros have been doing it for years in BW also .



I find it funny that BW Terrans imported many of their BW strategies (drops all over, harrass, siege tank pushes) almost immediately to SC2 and tried to make them work. Protoss seem to just be rediscovering what they did for years in BW. Sure, they tried it every now and then, but it seemed they gave up pretty quickly and are now just trying them again.


It's not funny at all it's completely normal.

Warp prism drops are situational, and incredibly risky. Dropping templar got nerfed from BW to SC1. But Terran drops got buffed from SC1 to SC2... so obviously terrans do drops and Protoss barely ever use shuttle templar.


Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#2418
Moonglades 'pressure' cannot transition so it is all in. If he wants to do the same pressure but be able to transition he would have to carry on droning and so the push is delayed. Basically, the build that moon glade tried to do was an all in, because any other decision apart from "rally units to his base and try and kill him" would lead to a sure loss.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#2419
On August 20 2011 01:40 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:35 Ripper41 wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:17 The KY wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:16 Ripper41 wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:15 The KY wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:14 Ripper41 wrote:
did MC discover how to make HT viable again?


They never stopped being viable.

of course they weren't viable PvT against ghost, jeeeeeez!


Yeah they really were. Hence why you still see them used all the time, hence why you still see them win all the time.

I saw them getting EMP'd if thats what you mean..


Not arguing with trolls. Everyone who watches SC2 knows that HT's have been a viable option for months and that ghosts are not an insta-counter.


Of course they're viable, but ghosts have the upper hand in that engagement. Remember these things:

-With its area included, EMP outranges feedback.
-Ghosts can also snipe templars
-Templars are so slow that they're either too far back (Army dead by the time storms come), or too close (ghostbait), finding the correct positioning is tremendously difficult for protoss.
-Terran, with scans and faster units usually have the sight advantage, observers can be easily shut down by terran

Remeber that game MC vs PuMa on NASL finals on Tal'darim?? Game 6 I think. The ONLY reason MC won is because PuMa misplaced 2 ghosts, getting them close to a ramp outside MC's natural, where he didn't have vision upwards so MC could feedback them. It's basically the story of late-game PvT, you just wait for terran to make a mistake, if he plays it right, he'll always have a slight advantage.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
August 19 2011 16:51 GMT
#2420
On August 20 2011 01:48 Welmu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:30 bennyaus wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:29 Zane wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:28 Telcontar wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:27 Vardant wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:25 Ansinjunger wrote:
The first time MC used warp prisms to drop HTs in battle I had no clue where those storms came from. Finally we're seeing this tactic used in SC2. Sickest nerd chills watching PvT since NASL.

That was an awesome moment. I couldn't figure out what happened too for a while. So unexpected.

I seem to remember seeing that recently by another toss. Can't remember who it was though.

MC said he saw Hero do this.


HuK's been doing it on his stream for a couple of months as well...


Pros have been doing it for years in BW also .



I find it funny that BW Terrans imported many of their BW strategies (drops all over, harrass, siege tank pushes) almost immediately to SC2 and tried to make them work. Protoss seem to just be rediscovering what they did for years in BW. Sure, they tried it every now and then, but it seemed they gave up pretty quickly and are now just trying them again.

That warp prism play is very situational. One viking will shut warp prism completely since they are so weak



The Warpprism has 140 HP ( combined ) thats just 10 less then a Medivac. Its not like 1 Viking will instantly kill it.
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