dunno who to cheer for
Kid JD vs Kid Flash
i guess Maru since Flash is in PL Final?
but.. tgun...
idevenknow
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
August 03 2011 05:59 GMT
#3901
On August 03 2011 14:58 RPR_Tempest wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:58 EchoZ wrote: ONE ONE TGUN DID IT 40 min GAME OMMGHGGGGGRFWGKOJfduigh gfesdygh tserjdgesr Oh my god oh my god please do it tgun dunno who to cheer for Kid JD vs Kid Flash i guess Maru since Flash is in PL Final? but.. tgun... idevenknow | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
August 03 2011 05:59 GMT
#3902
On August 03 2011 14:58 shannn wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:56 Corrik wrote: Qualified SlayerSGanzi (Group A) Grouping 1 Confirmed Advances Group B FXO.Choya Round 4? NexDream Round 3? Group C FXO.Tgun Round 3 MaruPrime Round 3 MVPVampire Round 4 FOXlyn Round 4 Notable Eliminations FXO.QXC (Round 2 by FXO.Choya) FXO.Sirius (Round 2 by MaruPrime) TSL_Revival (Round 1 by FXO.Tgun) oGsVines (Round 4 by SlayerSGanzi) SlayerSLots (Round 4 by oGsCaramel) oGsCaramel (Round 5 by SlayerSGanzi) Grouping 2 Players: SlayerSBoxeR MVP_DongRaeGu FOXSoccer ... drg and boxer in 1 group? or they just in group 2 but different brackets so they both can qualify? Could be in different brackets. No one knows yet. | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3903
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3904
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3905
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3906
On August 03 2011 15:00 lunchforthesky wrote: Did Tgun qualify? He's in round 3 facing Maruprime | ||
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3907
On August 03 2011 15:00 lunchforthesky wrote: Did Tgun qualify? 1-1 vs Maruuu | ||
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Xkalibert
United States1404 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3908
i see two classicprime.we at bottom half of the left bracket | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3909
On August 03 2011 14:58 EchoZ wrote: ONE ONE TGUN DID IT 40 min GAME OMMGHGGGGGRFWGKOJfduigh gfesdygh tserjdgesr who is he playing? edit nvm, thread moves too fast for me | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3910
On August 03 2011 15:00 Disquiet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:58 EchoZ wrote: ONE ONE TGUN DID IT 40 min GAME OMMGHGGGGGRFWGKOJfduigh gfesdygh tserjdgesr who is he playing? MaruPrime.WE | ||
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gideel
1503 Posts
August 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#3911
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3912
On August 03 2011 15:00 Xkalibert wrote: i see two classicprime.we at bottom half of the left bracket too bad we didnt get a classicprime vs classicprime round 2 | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3913
On August 03 2011 14:58 shannn wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:56 Corrik wrote: Qualified SlayerSGanzi (Group A) Grouping 1 Confirmed Advances Group B FXO.Choya Round 4? NexDream Round 3? Group C FXO.Tgun Round 3 MaruPrime Round 3 MVPVampire Round 4 FOXlyn Round 4 Notable Eliminations FXO.QXC (Round 2 by FXO.Choya) FXO.Sirius (Round 2 by MaruPrime) TSL_Revival (Round 1 by FXO.Tgun) oGsVines (Round 4 by SlayerSGanzi) SlayerSLots (Round 4 by oGsCaramel) oGsCaramel (Round 5 by SlayerSGanzi) Grouping 2 Players: SlayerSBoxeR MVP_DongRaeGu FOXSoccer ... drg and boxer in 1 group? or they just in group 2 but different brackets so they both can qualify? There's 2 sessions of play, and 3 actual brackets per group. A/B/C being played now D/E/F to be played after We have no idea how the groups for the second session will look yet. | ||
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3914
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3915
On August 03 2011 14:57 Heavenly wrote: Lol what a complete joke. I've lost all respect for Ganzi for doing this versus protoss every time he might lose a real set. A win is a win is a win. If you want to win at the top level, you better be able to defend that. I've never understood why people go on and on about playing the game "correctly". If you play it "correctly" it should just be maxed out armies with perfect compositions wiping each other out over and over again? | ||
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bbQ4Aiur
Hong Kong2752 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3916
On August 03 2011 15:00 KoTakUEurO wrote: 1-1 vs Maruuu Why arent we watching that game ?! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3917
On August 03 2011 15:01 bbQ4Aiur wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 15:00 KoTakUEurO wrote: On August 03 2011 15:00 lunchforthesky wrote: Did Tgun qualify? 1-1 vs Maruuu Why arent we watching that game ?! because winner of this game gets code A so from an unbiased GSL standpoint, it's more important | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
August 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#3918
On August 03 2011 15:00 Herry wrote: i know its extremely difficult to hold if you expand pretty much at all. but it was the same thing with the 4 gate. i am guessing the 1-1-1 will get nerfed somehow i am just pointing out how ironic it is. The four gate was never impossible to hold off. On August 03 2011 15:01 theBizness wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:57 Heavenly wrote: Lol what a complete joke. I've lost all respect for Ganzi for doing this versus protoss every time he might lose a real set. A win is a win is a win. If you want to win at the top level, you better be able to defend that. I've never understood why people go on and on about playing the game "correctly". If you play it "correctly" it should just be maxed out armies with perfect compositions wiping each other out over and over again? Lol what fanboy reasoning. Is this what people thought when Rain SCV all-inned his way to the finals and beat Nestea with it? No, they were absolutely enraged. But because it's not happening to people you are a fan of, or you're not of the same race, you don't care (and 40% of teamliquid is zerg according to a poll). No one said anything about playing the game "correctly, or "winning at the top level", or whatever cute reasoning you want to come out with. Winning with the same all-in build every single time is pathetic and everyone has always raged against it when it is their race in question, or they are facing it on ladder. Did I say that he didn't win? Did I say that he didn't play the game correctly? No, I said he played pathetically. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
August 03 2011 06:02 GMT
#3919
On August 03 2011 14:54 HolyArrow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:51 mTw|NarutO wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 14:48 HolyArrow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 14:44 mTw|NarutO wrote: On August 03 2011 14:42 HolyArrow wrote: On August 03 2011 14:39 mTw|NarutO wrote: On August 03 2011 14:35 HolyArrow wrote: On August 03 2011 14:31 mTw|NarutO wrote: On August 03 2011 14:27 HolyArrow wrote: On August 03 2011 14:26 mTw|NarutO wrote: On August 03 2011 14:24 HolyArrow wrote: On August 03 2011 14:22 bennyaus wrote: [quote] or the 3gate/stargate. I've seen the 6gate and 3gate/stargate held off with plenty more frequency than Terran's 1-1-1. I believe MMA held off Naniwa's 3gate/stargate just by massing marines. Do you think MMA & Naniwa are the same level? True. But look at my post, I added more. And that many marines simply denies the Void Rays, so even looking at Naniwa making micro errors, MMA never felt like he was going to just be overwhelmingly overrun like many Protosses look like against 1-1-1. I've actually never seen a 6 or 7 gate fail in a progame. Or nearly never. Its a really strong allin. I agree that the 1-1-1 is insanely hard to hold if, if not nearly impossible. But I do think most Protoss react wrong to it. You need the robo only for 1 observer and after you need 5 gateways to warp in mass stalker. Try to get as much time as possible and pull your probes if he engages. You need them. Every 40damage on a probe is no 40damage on a stalker. 6/7 gates have failed before. Off the top of my head, Sage failed one against PuMa in the iCCup weekly a week or so ago, and just GG'd when it was held off. My question to you is, if the 6gate is as powerful as 1-1-1, why don't we see it being used more to great effect? I've seen anyPro, Tassadar, Inca, MC, HuK, Puzzle, and Vines all fall to it recently. Why aren't Protosses doing the same thing to Terrans and winning tons of games against powerful Terran opponents? I'm just not seeing it nearly as often as 1-1-1 lately, so I'm confused as to why it's not used more often. Obviously, all these players want to win, so I don't see why they wouldn't use it more (as often as T 1-1-1's Protoss) if it's as strong as you say... I think because a) it is defendable even if its really hard and b) if Protoss wants information on what Terran is doing. The thing is, you have to 1 gate expand to do a really hard 6 gate push and lots of Terrans punish the 1 gate expand with the 1-1-1 allin or semi-allin. Maybe its because the Protoss players do like their alternatives with mid or lategame, I don't know. Yeah, so the 1-1-1 kind of counters the 6gate, no? In other words, the Protoss all-in that you say is as hard to hold off as the 1-1-1 all-in is actually countered by the 1-1-1 all-in. ![]() You are talking like the 1-1-1 is undefendable. Its really hard, but you can defend it. It might be a bit too strong, but I'd say an allin should be insanely hard to defend, but not impossible. The thing is that you don't know if its allin or not. The earliest time you KNOW its this allin, you might already have made the wrong decision or wrong tech. You can only assume its coming and if you assume it from the start you can defend it pretty well. I'm sorry if I was talking as if the 1-1-1 is undefendable, because I definitely don't believe that. I'm just saying that it's a bit depressing that Protoss's 1-1-1 equivalent in strength is countered by Terran's 1-1-1. I've seen 1-1-1 held off on a few occasions, (MMA vs. HuK, Ryung vs. MC), but both games, they made some pretty critical errors in execution (I think MMA forgot siege mode, and Ryung just played way too passive). Perhaps if you could PM me a replay or link me to a game where someone holds off a perfectly executed 1-1-1, I'd find it very educational. I don't have a replay, but next time you face a wall-off Terran build and assume its the 1-1-1 allin try to 1 gate expand and follow it up with 3 gates and a robo (robo for observer) later add another gate so you have 5 in total. Do not add immortals. Immortals will be dumb and not kill the tanks and just die to marines, warp in as many stalkers as you can and a few sentries for guardian shield. Pull probes and try to use the splash of the tanks against the Terran. Thats (at least for me) the hardest style of Protoss to beat even with 1-1-1. Anyways, lets watch GSL CodeA qualification :-) Ok, thanks for the advice! You could find better info in the strategy forums here. General advice is to go zealot-immortal-sentry without overmaking stalkers, flank + FF, take out the tanks, then warping stalkers to deal with banshees. All of this off of 1 gate robo expo or 1 gate expo robo with 3 more gates. I'd take the "don't make immortals cus they dumb (micro bro?)"and "make lots of stalkers" lines from the guy above with a grain of salt. Also tank splash works best with zealots, pulling probe is not your first choice. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
August 03 2011 06:02 GMT
#3920
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