EPT[GSL] July Code S SemiFinals - Page 148
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:37 Alaron wrote: I don't understand why people hate ZvZ so much. Its the most unforgiving micro intensive matchup in the game. Not to mention these are the absolute Top 2 ZvZ players in the world. | ||
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Ubes
Ireland111 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:18 leBIGcrab wrote: Uh my liquibet was on Byun because i couldn't imagine a ZvZ final. Seems like "zerg problems" are fixed. People will always claim there is "Zerg Problems" this is TL after all. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
Byun vs LosirA, if he hadn't gotten behind early in game 1 I think he would have taken it, same with game 2, game can't be judged ofc since LosirA reacted to something Byun did. Damn I'm so sad  | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:42 Cyanocyst wrote: Not to mention these are the absolute Top 2 ZvZ players in the world. The thing is, NesTea has himself stated in his interview that playing against Byun would make for more entertaining matches. This really does not bode well. NesTea with a week to pick apart LosirA's play makes me sadface like nothing else. I expect nothing less than a very one-sided finals. | ||
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Pughy
Wales662 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:53 On_Slaught wrote: GSL must be pretty upset about having a mirror in their finals. Even with the two best ZvZ players in the world involved, the chances of this being another average or horrible finals are pretty high imo. wouldn't count on it. Sen vs July at NASL 3rd/4th place matches were pretty nice, and they aren't even the best zergs. it should be pretty exciting, granted I was hoping not to have a mirror match-up as well | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Techno
1900 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:14 damod wrote: o_O ? are you SeRiouS ? You know PDD blocks mutas right ? PDD blocks ~1 volley of muta fire. PDD isnt free. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Also i'm rooting for losira. This guy is so good. When he beat huk I thought "Man, how does anyone beat this guy". I'm rooting for losira to show us a new flavor of zvz. So true man. When I saw Naniwa play him on Testbug, and Naniwa was just playing like a total beast and Losira still won i was like T_T This guy is a machine! | ||
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Slayth
United States325 Posts
fuck yeah zvz finals | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 26 2011 02:31 McBengt wrote: This is definitely true. However, surprise(cheese/rush?) losses count just the same as 40 min macro games, which creates an irritating catch 22 situation. How exactly do you, without basically overhauling the zerg race, make them evenly balanced in terms of economy and macro during the mid-late game, without having them be so vulnerable during the early stages? I'm not saying it can't be done or that the game is perfect as is, but it's a lot more difficult than just "nerf zerg macro". Also, it is worth noting that a large number of the zerg losses during the earlier stages of the game, were due to the horrible maps that favoured one base strats and all ins to an absurd degree(ZvPon steppes was awesome, still have bad dreams from that). If what the developers said in the preview for HoTS, regarding the fact that they wished to make early game scouting easier and reduce the number of BO losses and rush/early timing push strategies, then this could become a real issue. Well, this might sound a little biased (I'm a Zerg player), but let's face it: Zergs have been struggling with cheese/scouting issues when the game was young because nothing was figuered out. These days we can deal with it, because we know what a P can have just by seeing 3sentries (example). Then Zergs have been struggling (and are still struggling) with 2base timings (5-6gates, Marine/tank etc...). The best Zergs in the world are close to unbeatable now when it comes to those pushes. So to sum it up: Nearly exclusivly all Terran and Protoss strategies have been focusing on "preventing the Zerg from getting ahead", while Zergs have been going for "getting ahead while being pressured". I think it is about time, that (especially) Terrans and Protoss start to learn how to put passive (meaning ecopressure, making him feel like playing against the clock, not against a push etc...) pressure onto their zerg opponents. I really do think, that apart from a very, very small elite of Protoss and Terran players (I would even go as far as to only give 3names: MVP, MC, Nada), no Progamers have yet figuerd out how to beat a Zerg by "not pushing". (I really want to add here, that most Terran units and a lot of Protoss units have a kind of exponential growth rate for their armies, while I would only say that about infestors, broodlords and banelings for zerg! Which means that "trading equally" should always be good for zerg, as a regular big terran/protoss ball will always beat a regular big zerg swarm) And one last sentence about balancing: Let's say the following 2statements were true: -) P/T can't win a straight up macro game vs Zerg, when they obviously try to macro -) zergs have no good early and midgame offense The only conclusion for a statistically good balancing from my point of view would be: -) zergs have to have great offensive qualities in the lategame, as before it is always "do or die" for them, while for the other races it is only "do or get behind" Note that I really don't think, that this is the state of the balancing of the game! I would rather say that this is the state of the gameplay amongst most pros (and gm/master players) | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:56 xXFireandIceXx wrote: wouldn't count on it. Sen vs July at NASL 3rd/4th place matches were pretty nice, and they aren't even the best zergs. it should be pretty exciting, granted I was hoping not to have a mirror match-up as well But then you get matches like Sen vs. IdrA in that Verizon tourney, which were pretty lackluster, you have to admit. =/ | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:56 xXFireandIceXx wrote: wouldn't count on it. Sen vs July at NASL 3rd/4th place matches were pretty nice, and they aren't even the best zergs. it should be pretty exciting, granted I was hoping not to have a mirror match-up as well Well I think the fact that both players are practice partners and know eachother so well also increases the chance of this being a shit finals since they likely are going to go with strats they may not be completely comfortable with to avoid doing something the other player knows foward and backwards. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:08 On_Slaught wrote: Well I think the fact that both players are practice partners and know eachother so well also increases the chance of this being a shit finals since they likely are going to go with strats they may not be completely comfortable with to avoid doing something the other player knows foward and backwards. Just trying to be optimistic XD. You never know. Personally, I dislike mirrors with ferver. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
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Robonord
United States311 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
But NesTea is just such a genius in ZvZ that I don't see how LosirA has any chance. If it was a ZvZ between LosirA + another top zerg that would be fine. But NesTea vs. anyone in ZvZ will probably be one-sided. Especially against his teammate whose playstyle he should understand very well. I'm praying LosirA proves me wrong... but I don't think he will Maybe LosirA and NesTea will agree to make the finals entertaining  | ||
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