[GSL] July Code S SemiFinals - Page 147

On July 26 2011 01:05 Umpteen wrote:
I've been saying for a while that the ongoing balancing process between Zerg and the other races must surely have been influenced by the high proportion of surprise-based or build-order losses zergs have experienced since retail, the end result being that if you fail to surprise a zerg, you're at a disadvantage.

Every time a Zerg on the ladder has collapsed in the face of fast banshees or sudden hellions or DTs or a hidden pylon or a cancelled expansion, that loss has counted in the 'zerg is too weak' column when assessing balance. The same is true for the other races, but to a lesser extent I think you'll agree (early-game Protoss and Terran units being somewhat more flexible and the potential for over-droning being that much greater).

Now, if the races are balanced in terms of win/loss ratios, but more of one race's losses are coming from 'getting surprised', then a player of that race who figures out enemy timings and what to look for stands to gain more than a player of another race who does the same, all other things being equal. And when I see Nestea reach the finals without dropping a game, pulling out massive economic leads before grabbing tech and units at the perfect moment, I have to wonder...

On July 26 2011 01:44 darmousseh wrote:



All of this "Zerg is OP, UP" is getting tiring I agree. At this point, we have had winners from all the different races and the only conclusion we can come to is that "There are a lot of good terrans in korea". Nestea could just be on a completely different level.
I think if anything, it tells you that we really don't know the balance of power right now. If you look at the # of terrans in GM league in korea, it matches up identically with the rest of the leagues so it's not really a suprise that terran is doing well there, but the question should be, why do koreans like terran so much compared to north americans liking protoss. I really think it has to do with the personality of the races and culture more than any sort of balance thing.

If you look at the top players in all the races these guys have potential to be in the finals. No one has really figured out yet how to take advantage of the interface yet. Terran's were starting to figure out the drop style harass, but it's not perfected yet. A nestea vs losira finals would be just as likely as a mvp vs bomber finals or an mc vs hongun finals.

Also i'm rooting for losira. This guy is so good. When he beat huk I thought "Man, how does anyone beat this guy". I'm rooting for losira to show us a new flavor of zvz.

On July 26 2011 02:25 StaplerPhone wrote:
Goddamnit curse of bad finals strikes again.

On July 25 2011 23:05 CidO wrote:

Some just know how to evolve their play, even some NA/EU zergs have been changing it up.

That said, T doesn't seem to be changing their approach /shrug.

On July 26 2011 02:48 forgottendreams wrote:
I read through the nestea vs hongun games and found out he did forge expand into stargate all three games?

Seriously? This build has been debunked in even EU by now, it just adds to my suspicions that Korean protosses are genuinely slightly behind in build order creativity and strength.

On July 26 2011 03:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:


No, he did a 3gate sentry expand in the third game.

Game 1 was a strong double stargate push followed by 6gate aggression.

On July 26 2011 01:54 Lysanias wrote:


What cheese ? he got outsmarted, don't follow atrosis fanboyism blindly, byun this or that, but the better player won.