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Lol at people saying MC is not the best protoss anymore
Alicia is the only comparable protoss and the results are not even close.
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Italy12246 Posts
On July 19 2011 20:18 KayZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:17 Rybaia wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 NotSoSerious wrote:
Just move the WP upgrade to council or whatever,this is not fun to watch or play...and no,i'm not a MC cryfan,but 4gate is embarrassing,you shouldn't be allowed to get so far into a tournament just cause you can execute 1 simple build. So we can die in every other MU at the 5 minute mark? PvP is not easy to patch without fucking up every other MU get over it. Or maybe you can produce units out of your gateways instead of waiting till warpgate tech to make units?
So i can have 2-3 gateway units queued up in my gateways doing jackshit for 35 seconds while i try to defend my ramp or expansion. Yeah, that works out great in other matchups, sure.
Face it, PvP is impossible to fix that easily, period.
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On July 19 2011 20:20 mikyaJ wrote:
Oh the irony. MC got his "godlike" PvP record from 4 gating. Post-patch his PvP is now negative. Yet people complain about 4 gating so much now when he loses.
So true. The MC fan boys just blatantly ignore this.
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And the HongUn 4 gated, and then he was enlightened. So this is how all those guys were beating the crap out of me.
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On July 19 2011 20:23 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:18 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:17 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:12 Valikyr wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN! The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off. As someone who used to absolutely hate pvp... I think the match up is perfectly fine now since the patch. Hell, I wish people 4 wged me more often so I can enjoy even more free wins. If you're implying that you could have held those 4 gates which MC did not, then, well... seek treatment. Yes, Easily. Will do. Unless you're Naniwa or White Ra, you're not in the same zip code of skill level as HongUn & MC. Or maybe I'm just that confident in my pvp.
Is this guy actually claiming he could beat Hongun in PvP?
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On July 19 2011 20:22 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:21 ramon wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 19 2011 20:15 Tachion wrote:On July 19 2011 20:15 Fosjoo wrote:
Bomber is good, but with no results, and a bo7 vs nestea who is concidered the best player in the world vs bombers weakest matchupp there is no way he can win. He will get faceraped like a mongolian hebrew infidel.. belive me. ZvT is Nestea's weakest matchup as well. It won't be the highest quality of finals, but it might actually be close. I want losira vs nestea. student vs teacher but before the finals losira leaves IM and signs up with ST and becomes Fruitdealers apprentice, only to use banelings in all seven games. it's star wars all over again I am not sure why I found this so funny, well played nevertheless ^^
It's funny because who in their right mind would want to be FD's apprentice when they have Nestea on their team XD.
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On July 19 2011 20:22 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 HolyArrow wrote:
I wonder if people realize that HongUn has made the semifinals twice and Ro8 twice in the GSL now, making him the second most successful Protoss in the GSL. Guy really doesn't get enough credit. He is truly one of the more underrated players. He even made carriers in the open season! Total baller. I believe he had one of the best overall average finishes during the open seasons He's not underrated, he's plain uninspiring when winning, and just bad when he's losing. Winning 3 PvPs with 4 warp gate doesn't make him good.
Read the original post. Now rethink your definition of underrated.
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On July 19 2011 20:23 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:18 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:17 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:12 Valikyr wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN! The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off. As someone who used to absolutely hate pvp... I think the match up is perfectly fine now since the patch. Hell, I wish people 4 wged me more often so I can enjoy even more free wins. If you're implying that you could have held those 4 gates which MC did not, then, well... seek treatment. Yes, Easily. Will do. Unless you're Naniwa or White Ra, you're not in the same zip code of skill level as HongUn & MC. Or maybe I'm just that confident in my pvp.
"Yeah, I mean overall I'm a diamond ladder player, but man, my PvP is so godly I should be teaching MC how to hold 4 gates against Korean pros who have triple my APM!"
Does that sum up your view?
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On July 19 2011 20:20 mikyaJ wrote:
Oh the irony. MC got his "godlike" PvP record from 4 gating. Post-patch his PvP is now negative. Yet people complain about 4 gating so much now when he loses.
I saw more players in PvP try to cheese him with proxy 2 gate and half assed DT rushes and he would hold and then crush them.
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On July 19 2011 20:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:09 Ansinjunger wrote:
Why is fate so intent on denying us good GSL series? MVP/MC/Nestea are never gonna play a bo5 or 7 at this rate, and I don't see risky players like HongUn going that far. He's just this season's Inca.
MC screwed up no doubt, but the fans got screwed just as bad. I mean, the only non team league GSL champion match up we've had was FD vs Nestea, wth? No, Nestea vs MC in season 2 doesn't count since neither were GSL champions back then. Only MC haters and those rare actual HongUn fans have anything to celebrate--plus Nestea fans I guess. But I think even most of those want an epic series, not a walkover.
HongUn, please prove me wrong next week, as this has been one of the most frustrating GSL's ever. At least the other half of the tournament is all players that are solid and not weird/risky. MVP beat Nestea in the semis in GSL4.
Alright that's close, but it was also a long time ago and there were things like backdoor on Shakuras anyway. Plus I want to see two current champions face each other, and MVP hadn't rofl stomped MKP just yet.
MC's been getting called out for being too greedy/overconfident by another Prime player. First it was Polt's rax pushes (Zatic build I think), now MC is going up to 22+ probes and making crucial early errors by getting caught out of position and/or letting units in his base. The last game was especially ridiculous as anyone could see HongUn's core was about 5-6 seconds ahead of MC's. I don't know the exact timings for defensive four gate on 1 ff ramp maps, but MC should know those pretty much by heart, too much foreign tourneys or no.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On July 19 2011 20:15 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:15 Fosjoo wrote:
Bomber is good, but with no results, and a bo7 vs nestea who is concidered the best player in the world vs bombers weakest matchupp there is no way he can win. He will get faceraped like a mongolian hebrew infidel.. belive me. ZvT is Nestea's weakest matchup as well. It won't be the highest quality of finals, but it might actually be close.
I think the thing people overlook when considering past history with match ups is that for the finals there's 1 week of incredibly dedicated practice to beat your opponent on a given set of maps. If anything can get a player out of trouble in a match up it's intense practice in it (well, unless you're Inca), which is exactly what a finals scenario requires.
Go back to the start of Code A and Bomber's worst match up was considered TvT, but because he had to play a ton of it he's now seen as one of the most fearsome TvT players around while his TvZ fell behind somewhat.
As a Bomber fan I'd still probably back NesTea if that finals came to pass, but I'd expect it to be better quality than their previous match might have indicated.
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On July 19 2011 20:24 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:23 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:18 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:17 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:12 Valikyr wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN! The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off. As someone who used to absolutely hate pvp... I think the match up is perfectly fine now since the patch. Hell, I wish people 4 wged me more often so I can enjoy even more free wins. If you're implying that you could have held those 4 gates which MC did not, then, well... seek treatment. Yes, Easily. Will do. Unless you're Naniwa or White Ra, you're not in the same zip code of skill level as HongUn & MC. Or maybe I'm just that confident in my pvp. Is this guy actually claiming he could beat Hongun in PvP?
He's just saying he could "hold it". I could too.
321413515 cannons at ramp. I'd lose the game, but I'd hold the 4 gate.
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Seeing some of PVP's in GSL,a very high master,low-mid GM can beat these guys,because simply 4gate is not about execution
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On July 19 2011 20:24 Zinthar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:23 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:18 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:17 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:12 Valikyr wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN! The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off. As someone who used to absolutely hate pvp... I think the match up is perfectly fine now since the patch. Hell, I wish people 4 wged me more often so I can enjoy even more free wins. If you're implying that you could have held those 4 gates which MC did not, then, well... seek treatment. Yes, Easily. Will do. Unless you're Naniwa or White Ra, you're not in the same zip code of skill level as HongUn & MC. Or maybe I'm just that confident in my pvp. "Yeah, I mean overall I'm a diamond ladder player, but man, my PvP is so godly I should be teaching MC how to hold 4 gates against Korean pros who have triple my APM!" Does that sum up your view?
Nope, but feel free to make shit up!
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On July 19 2011 20:25 Crying wrote:
Seeing some of PVP's in GSL,a very high master,low-mid GM can beat these guys,because simply 4gate is not about execution
hahaha wow, just wow.
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On July 19 2011 19:39 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:38 Krehlmar wrote:
Also I've always said MC isn't that great, he just playes aggressively and his opponents lose their games rather than him winning them, just like now how MC loses his own games by preparing to defend and then not doing it. MC played well against Puma. He almost beat Puma, except with that dumb move in game 7 to go 4 gate all in.
And White-Ra would've beaten him if MC hadn't cheesed... sure you can play to win but that doesn't make a fan out of me.
Point is, he is highly overrated, just as HuK is, watch White-Ra play and there is always a new idea, a new form of play, MC does the same thing over and over, always same aggressiveness and when it fails he gets flustered and loses the same way that Hungoyon did in the game when he had the lead but couldn't take not winning directly and blunk in and died.
NesTea is a opposite, he is always new, refreshing, manages to get out of situations nobody expects him to and brings new ideas to the matchup. What he lacks that MC has is absurd amounts of confidence to the point that it flusters his opponents.
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MC is still #1 money winner in SC2 no matter who wins this season...cant win them all better luck next time. Next time don't overlook opponent.
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On July 19 2011 20:25 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:24 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:23 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:18 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:17 Zinthar wrote:On July 19 2011 20:16 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:12 Valikyr wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:
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the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate.
Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN! The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off. As someone who used to absolutely hate pvp... I think the match up is perfectly fine now since the patch. Hell, I wish people 4 wged me more often so I can enjoy even more free wins. If you're implying that you could have held those 4 gates which MC did not, then, well... seek treatment. Yes, Easily. Will do. Unless you're Naniwa or White Ra, you're not in the same zip code of skill level as HongUn & MC. Or maybe I'm just that confident in my pvp. "Yeah, I mean overall I'm a diamond ladder player, but man, my PvP is so godly I should be teaching MC how to hold 4 gates against Korean pros who have triple my APM!" Does that sum up your view? Nope, but feel free to make shit up!
So you're grandmasters?
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Australia6113 Posts
4 gate is the biggest joke in SC2.
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On July 19 2011 20:26 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:39 chatuka wrote:On July 19 2011 19:38 Krehlmar wrote:
Also I've always said MC isn't that great, he just playes aggressively and his opponents lose their games rather than him winning them, just like now how MC loses his own games by preparing to defend and then not doing it. MC played well against Puma. He almost beat Puma, except with that dumb move in game 7 to go 4 gate all in. And White-Ra would've beaten him if MC hadn't cheesed... sure you can play to win but that doesn't make a fan out of me. Point is, he is highly overrated, just as HuK is, watch White-Ra play and there is always a new idea, a new form of play, MC does the same thing over and over, always same aggressiveness and when it fails he gets flustered and loses the same way that Hungoyon did in the game when he had the lead but couldn't take not winning directly and blunk in and died. NesTea is a opposite, he is always new, refreshing, manages to get out of situations nobody expects him to and brings new ideas to the matchup. What he lacks that MC has is absurd amounts of confidence to the point that it flusters his opponents.
White Ra is nothing like as good as MC. You don't win nearly $200,000 over two GSL golds, a GSL Bronze, an NASL silver and three foreign LAN wins by being bad.
White Ra is the guy with broken english going carriers against Zerg and losing badly. He's a character, he's not a top player.
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