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forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
July 20 2011 23:44 GMT
#881
Dear IdrA, take notes.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 23:45:17
July 20 2011 23:44 GMT
#882
On July 21 2011 08:41 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:37 manicshock wrote:
Why is Curious still using roach hydra? So outdated. Maybe due to stargate play?


It's somewhat odd, in the weekly he qualified from he beat Huk with all kinds of ling/infestor/ultra play etc. Was noticable that Losira was going back to it today vs Tester too a lot of the time despite being incredibly flexible in the match up.

Lots of stargate play from Puzzle has kind of forced it, but I'm surprised how content he is to stick on it for a long time.

---

blink stalkers are pretty good lol.

Didn't watch the game but think it depends on how much pressure they're putting on. Don't really have time to tech and wait for energy or have much gas to spare when they're pressing in and you could potentially just die.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 20 2011 23:44 GMT
#883
On July 21 2011 08:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:39 Daralii wrote:
On July 21 2011 08:37 manicshock wrote:
Why is Curious still using roach hydra? So outdated. Maybe due to stargate play?

Stargate/blink are usually coming before the robo bay lately, which makes hydras fairly good again.

well, when you have that many blink stalkers hydras aren't particularly good anymore



of course they are, as long as you have enough blocking units
they deal ridiculous dps
wat
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 23:45:37
July 20 2011 23:45 GMT
#884
Puzzle, you need to work on your PvZ. Your other matchups are amazing while your PvZ seems to be your falter
Go go Alliance.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
July 20 2011 23:45 GMT
#885
Mass Blink Stalkers never work unless you have storm support (I learned this the hard way too) against mass hydra roach with upgrades.

Sucks for Puzzle, but oh well, he's in Code S anyway.

I'm not going to cheer for Sage now, because my favorites usually end up losing when I cheer for them...
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 20 2011 23:46 GMT
#886
SAGE FIGHTING!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
July 20 2011 23:46 GMT
#887
On July 21 2011 08:45 dooraven wrote:
Puzzle, you need to work on your PvZ. Your other matchups are amazing while your PvZ seems to be your falter


TBH curious got tremondously lucky with the pylon snipe and scout of the stargate + no robo, if he doesn't get that scout in I think puzzle would've taken it or at least kept it even.
theprotagonist
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia85 Posts
July 20 2011 23:47 GMT
#888
On July 21 2011 08:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:39 Daralii wrote:
On July 21 2011 08:37 manicshock wrote:
Why is Curious still using roach hydra? So outdated. Maybe due to stargate play?

Stargate/blink are usually coming before the robo bay lately, which makes hydras fairly good again.

well, when you have that many blink stalkers hydras aren't particularly good anymore


The only other counter is infestor and it requires some time to tech to it. By being passive you actually allow protoss some breathing ground to tech to colossus. It was better to just keep making hydras, because its 3 base vs 2 on even upgrades and you've killed off all the sentries. Ergo, you can just exhaust puzzle's resources and then pwn.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 20 2011 23:48 GMT
#889
On July 21 2011 08:44 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 21 2011 08:39 Daralii wrote:
On July 21 2011 08:37 manicshock wrote:
Why is Curious still using roach hydra? So outdated. Maybe due to stargate play?

Stargate/blink are usually coming before the robo bay lately, which makes hydras fairly good again.

well, when you have that many blink stalkers hydras aren't particularly good anymore



of course they are, as long as you have enough blocking units
they deal ridiculous dps

You can't just ignore the mobility that stalkers have over one of the most immobile units-hydras. Don't think that particular game showcased everything that blink stalkers could do vs. hydras.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
July 20 2011 23:49 GMT
#890
On July 21 2011 08:46 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:45 dooraven wrote:
Puzzle, you need to work on your PvZ. Your other matchups are amazing while your PvZ seems to be your falter


TBH curious got tremondously lucky with the pylon snipe and scout of the stargate + no robo, if he doesn't get that scout in I think puzzle would've taken it or at least kept it even.


Oh no doubt, though you show that stargate anyway. But yeah that pylon essentially screwed him.
Go go Alliance.
Vaporak
Profile Joined September 2010
70 Posts
July 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#891
Well, hopefully sage'll show some nice PvZ. :/
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
July 20 2011 23:52 GMT
#892
The Blink Stalkers where scary, but in the end Curious realized he could sandwich them a little with the lingflank. This allowed the hydras/roaches to deal more final kills.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
July 20 2011 23:53 GMT
#893
On July 21 2011 08:49 dooraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 08:46 forgottendreams wrote:
On July 21 2011 08:45 dooraven wrote:
Puzzle, you need to work on your PvZ. Your other matchups are amazing while your PvZ seems to be your falter


TBH curious got tremondously lucky with the pylon snipe and scout of the stargate + no robo, if he doesn't get that scout in I think puzzle would've taken it or at least kept it even.


Oh no doubt, though you show that stargate anyway. But yeah that pylon essentially screwed him.


Pretty much, as soon as curious saw the stargate he knew his stalker count would continue to be low and all he has to do is produce another queen, a few spores and drone up while teching to hydras + burrow to counter the incoming blink push since he knew no collossus would come anytime soon ^^

Just well played by curious completely, even producing a forward spore to counter any obs' with his army.
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 20 2011 23:57 GMT
#894
Hahaha 11 drones thrown down after the attack gets killed. He's grinning from ear to ear that he's ahead.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 20 2011 23:58 GMT
#895
Gah I fell asleep when I got home and just woke up. Missed Curious vs. Puzzle which i was really looking forward to

Oh well... time for some sage :D
Vaporak
Profile Joined September 2010
70 Posts
July 21 2011 00:01 GMT
#896
On July 21 2011 08:51 Vaporak wrote:
Well, hopefully sage'll show some nice PvZ. :/


Well this is disappointing.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 21 2011 00:03 GMT
#897
nayas unit control is absolutely terrible
doesn't matter
wat
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 21 2011 00:03 GMT
#898
When they bring out their overlords like that is that so that the stalkers target fire them first and take some shots?
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 00:07:23
July 21 2011 00:05 GMT
#899
On July 21 2011 09:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
When they bring out their overlords like that is that so that the stalkers target fire them first and take some shots?


Yep. And to scare the toss a bit into thinking it's a drop. But mostly to mess with his stalker AI.

Edit: The thing with attacking ground is: if the overlords are barely ahead, they eat the first rounds of shots from the stalkers so his army gets the initial shot. Slow attack speed from stalkers type of thing, same with when the back ones get out of range of the front.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Tezzick
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
July 21 2011 00:05 GMT
#900
On July 21 2011 09:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
When they bring out their overlords like that is that so that the stalkers target fire them first and take some shots?

I think its to fake a baneling drop, so the player manually targets them.
Stalkers shoot ground before air.
"I'm a monster" - Buster
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