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On July 13 2011 19:08 BookII wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:05 ShootingStars wrote:
no fucking johns about jetlag people, stop complaining its a tournament I probably wouldn't say it in those words. But I agree. Players, I believe for the most part choose what tournaments to enter knowing the details so I don't think it's an excuse if they lose. Of course, bad luck in when your match is scheduled or what group you get picked in does play a part.
yeah sorry i just hate it when people complain about lag/jetlag/etc
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On July 13 2011 19:07 Sarang wrote:
yeah, people need to stop saying zenio is bad. he's very obviously tired and/or jetlagged.
huk vs. mc now, the winner of this will crush HongUn and then play NesTea in the semifinals. ^^
Nestea is in the other side of the bracket, fortunately! Huk vs Nestea final gogo! ^_^_^_^
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On July 13 2011 19:08 Hall0wed wrote:
Damn now when Huk beats MC all the losers will have the excuse of "jetlag". Damn you Zenio, why couldn't you put on a better show so that the haters wouldn't have any ammo.
How are people that acknowledge real and possible handicaps "haters"?
Also, I find it interesting how underrated HongUn is. He's actually had 3-4 Ro8 appearances now, along with 1 semifinals appearance, and has been in every Code S GSL and every GSL open before code S began. He's really consistent.
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On July 13 2011 19:06 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:04 Jehct wrote:
This actually seems like one of the highest level ZvP's so far. The attacks aren't perfect or each engagement ideal but that's something that happens when it isn't just 'deathball' style; if there are 20 engagements instead of 2 of course a few are going to be imperfect. There was so much multitask going on and such well timed transitions; I think Tastosis' commentary is making people think this game is worse than it is. this. people are looking for finnicky stuff to criticise the players for while missing the big picture - that is the constant pressure from both players. It's easy to spread creep if your opponent isnt all over you all game. And it's easier to micro in a big deathball battle than when there's stuff going on all over the map Tastosis called this one poorly.
Disagree , the majority battles were like 50 supply of hongun vs 30-40 supply roaches of Zenio..and it wasn"t even like both of them were harassing each others bases all the time with blink stalker pokes or ling runbies...all these small engagements happened in the middle of the map and save a few good storms , both of them just a moved there units across each other.
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On July 13 2011 19:04 Jehct wrote:
This actually seems like one of the highest level ZvP's so far (this GSL). The attacks aren't perfect or each engagement ideal but that's something that happens when it isn't just 'deathball' style; if there are 20 engagements instead of 2 of course a few are going to be imperfect. There was so much multitask going on and such well timed transitions; I think Tastosis' commentary is making people think this game is worse than it is.
I sort of agree. I wouldn't say "highest level", but I am sure that Hongun knew more clearly what he could do and what he not than the commentators in this case. Blink stalkers can trade quite effectively, even if the Zerg manages to overwhelm them eventually. In the end, it forces Z to continually produce and you can wear him down. So while the execution was lacking at points, I think the overall concept was valid.
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On July 13 2011 19:08 BookII wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:05 ShootingStars wrote:
no fucking johns about jetlag people, stop complaining its a tournament I probably wouldn't say it in those words. But I agree. Players, I believe for the most part choose what tournaments to enter knowing the details so I don't think it's an excuse if they lose. Of course, bad luck in when your match is scheduled or what group you get picked in does play a part.
But that's different from saying Jetlag wasn't a factor. Was it a factor? Sure. Was it their fault? Maybe partially but when they found out the NASL final date they didn't also know that they were playing a day or so later...they knew NASL final date 2 months ago at the beginning of the season, but they only knew when they were playing the Ro16 earlier this month.
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On July 13 2011 19:09 Artifice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:07 Sarang wrote:
yeah, people need to stop saying zenio is bad. he's very obviously tired and/or jetlagged.
huk vs. mc now, the winner of this will crush HongUn and then play NesTea in the semifinals. ^^ Nestea is in the other side of the bracket, fortunately! Huk vs Nestea final gogo! ^_^_^_^
Nope, they're on the same side. Brackets shown on the GOM cast overlay is wrong. Look at the Liquipedia one for the correct one.
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On July 13 2011 19:08 Hall0wed wrote:
Damn now when Huk beats MC all the losers will have the excuse of "jetlag". Damn you Zenio, why couldn't you put on a better show so that the haters wouldn't have any ammo.
He beat him in HSC soooo, no need for excuses whatsoever. It's not gonna be a fluke or anything thats for sure.
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On July 13 2011 19:07 Fionn wrote:
Ro8:
3 toss
3 zerg
2 terran
As balanced as you can get after terran destroyed the Super Tournament.
Hurray!
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I can't believe some of you actually though that was a "decent game" ~_~ HongUn seriously got all templar tech, and colossus, after he went stargate and killed Zenio's third. Then he decides to push out with small forces of army, against a zerg who would most likely have a bigger army than his. Bad decisions all game.
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On July 13 2011 19:08 Laggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:07 MCDayC wrote:
Awww, Artosis considers Sen on a level with Nestea. Apparently. He is, if not just below it. Sen is a fucking beast.
no one is on level with nestea. Since artosis nearly sparked my love for nestea i'm surprised to hear him say that. But Nestea is much better.
+ Show Spoiler +If Nestea were in sens position in NASL he would have been thorough and scouted vrays and ended up winning. just one small example
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On July 13 2011 19:06 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:04 Jehct wrote:
This actually seems like one of the highest level ZvP's so far. The attacks aren't perfect or each engagement ideal but that's something that happens when it isn't just 'deathball' style; if there are 20 engagements instead of 2 of course a few are going to be imperfect. There was so much multitask going on and such well timed transitions; I think Tastosis' commentary is making people think this game is worse than it is. this. people are looking for finnicky stuff to criticise the players for while missing the big picture - that is the constant pressure from both players. It's easy to spread creep if your opponent isnt all over you all game. And it's easier to micro in a big deathball battle than when there's stuff going on all over the map Tastosis called this one poorly.
Actually you guys are missing the big picture. This "20 engagement multitasking" play is only a result of extremely poor play from Zenio in defending air, and Hongun moving out for no reason and losing his early high tech units. After really awful play in the first 10 minutes, I don't see how the game can then become highest level ZvP ever.
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COME ON... I've on got half an hour, I need HuK to finish this quick!
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GO HUK!
I know u can do this!
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On July 13 2011 19:09 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:06 Jehct wrote:On July 13 2011 19:05 SEANSYE wrote:On July 13 2011 19:04 Jehct wrote:
This actually seems like one of the highest level ZvP's so far. The attacks aren't perfect or each engagement ideal but that's something that happens when it isn't just 'deathball' style; if there are 20 engagements instead of 2 of course a few are going to be imperfect. There was so much multitask going on and such well timed transitions; I think Tastosis' commentary is making people think this game is worse than it is. Lol far from it. It really is a bad bad game. Zenio not moving his spore crawler at all, could of been a buffer and the hydras could of came out in time. Attacks by Hongun and Zenio were terrible. That analysis was straight up wrong. If he moved the spore Hongun chain-lifts the queen while focusing the spore with the void ray and the hatch goes down anyway; it could have bought time but there was no way to get the 5+ hydras popping together at that hatch in time to save it. I think it would have been a close thing, The spore and queen might have made the void ray back off for a moment and potentially lose its charge. The real issue was that Zenio knew air was coming and only built 1 spore at a base with no extra Anti air. Should have made 2 spores at that location, especially since other queens cant reinforce given the distance.
This is totally true and what Artosis should have been saying; if Hongun had backed the void ray away from the spore it would have been a mistake and nothing more. Lifting a lone spore crawler when there's only one queen around against 3 phoenix & 1 void ray is not a good decision. Getting in that position in the first place was the mistake by Zenio.
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On July 13 2011 19:09 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:08 Hall0wed wrote:
Damn now when Huk beats MC all the losers will have the excuse of "jetlag". Damn you Zenio, why couldn't you put on a better show so that the haters wouldn't have any ammo. How are people that acknowledge real and possible handicaps "haters"?
Exactly. I'd be proud of Huk for his win but even the biggest fanboy would have to admit that playing a jetlagged MC isn't the same as playing a fresh MC- look at MLG Columbus- MC losing 2-0 to IdrA vs killing everyone later that day after caffeine/the day after after some rest.
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On July 13 2011 19:06 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:04 Jehct wrote:
This actually seems like one of the highest level ZvP's so far. The attacks aren't perfect or each engagement ideal but that's something that happens when it isn't just 'deathball' style; if there are 20 engagements instead of 2 of course a few are going to be imperfect. There was so much multitask going on and such well timed transitions; I think Tastosis' commentary is making people think this game is worse than it is. this. people are looking for finnicky stuff to criticise the players for while missing the big picture - that is the constant pressure from both players. It's easy to spread creep if your opponent isnt all over you all game. And it's easier to micro in a big deathball battle than when there's stuff going on all over the map Tastosis called this one poorly.
Just cause there were multiple battles, and constant pressure doesn't exclude it from being poorly played...
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On July 13 2011 19:09 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:08 BookII wrote:On July 13 2011 19:05 ShootingStars wrote:
no fucking johns about jetlag people, stop complaining its a tournament I probably wouldn't say it in those words. But I agree. Players, I believe for the most part choose what tournaments to enter knowing the details so I don't think it's an excuse if they lose. Of course, bad luck in when your match is scheduled or what group you get picked in does play a part. yeah sorry i just hate it when people complain about lag/jetlag/etc
Yeah that's fair enough. It is rather frustrating as I and most people probably prefer the credit going to the winner and their ability to win whether it's a slugfest or dominating performance.
You can see the jetlag but you're right, it's not an okay excuse.
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On July 13 2011 19:10 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:08 Hall0wed wrote:
Damn now when Huk beats MC all the losers will have the excuse of "jetlag". Damn you Zenio, why couldn't you put on a better show so that the haters wouldn't have any ammo. He beat him in HSC soooo, no need for excuses whatsoever. It's not gonna be a fluke or anything thats for sure.
MC was pretty severely jetlagged there, too. If you were watching the stalker cam he was usually asleep on the couch. Granted, HuK was sick then, so maybe he can pull through.
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