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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#21141
They need to:

1. Hire the guy who did Puma's intro and the NASL finals player intro with the poses. Instead of the hour long recaps with the horrible quality application videos, get him to do all the player intros.

2. Fix the scheduling. Let players set up ASAP.

3. Fix sound issues.

4. Get better booths.
/commercial
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
July 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#21142
On July 09 2011 15:16 aNDRoM wrote:
I was rooting for BoxeR, but I couldn't resist making this:

[image loading]


I guess we have a winner.
Ome
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada157 Posts
July 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#21143
On July 09 2011 15:16 MechKing wrote:
I can live with the sound problems, and with the observer. But the one thing that really ruins it for me is having no loser's bracket. You can only see the players once, even if they didn't play their best so that's quite unfair. You also don't get the built in drama of players going through the loser's bracket on the path to the grand finals, so it really messes up a lot of stuff. I feel bad for the players that had to pay to fly in and only get to play one bo3 where they might not have played very well.


While a loser's bracket is more exciting for us observers, I wouldn't exactly call their system unfair. Every player going in to the tournament knows the format, they know they have to give it their all in 2/3 games of each match, or they are going home early. I definitely prefer a loser's bracket (especially since it helps build storylines that the NASL wants to build) but I have no sympathy for those who lost, as they knew the stakes.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 09 2011 06:20 GMT
#21144
Meh, I'll just have to say it, as much crap the NASL got through all its existence it deserved every but of calling out today.

Hell, I think the League season was much much better than what we saw today. I know you guys improved a lot through the season but what happened today? I don't think I had a moment where I could enjoy the audio and all the delays ugh. I really feel for the people who didn't take a day off today
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 09 2011 06:20 GMT
#21145
hopefully it goes better tmrw : ) night everyone!
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
July 09 2011 06:20 GMT
#21146
Yea if they cut down on the intro vids and 1hour long breaks between each game they could of done bo21 and not bo3...
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
July 09 2011 06:20 GMT
#21147
On July 09 2011 15:19 Stanlot wrote:
Did Morrow racepick against July or did he play a ZvZ?


Race picked - Morrow played T vs July.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#21148
On July 09 2011 15:18 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:08 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I think that after all it was a decent event and I had a good time, just very sad that Boxer lost but you can't always get what you want.


Glad theres some reasonable people left on this forum.


I'm sorry, but the grand finals of a what calls its self a professional league with a 100k prize pool should not be merely decent.
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manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#21149
On July 09 2011 15:19 Stanlot wrote:
Did Morrow racepick against July or did he play a ZvZ?

Picked terran is what I'm told.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
July 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#21150
On July 09 2011 15:19 Stanlot wrote:
Did Morrow racepick against July or did he play a ZvZ?


He played TvZ and got rolled, literally. Banelings FTW
Nightkaira
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore412 Posts
July 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#21151
frankly the booths don't seem comfy to play in, feels like a jail cell ...
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 09 2011 06:22 GMT
#21152
Are they going to do the same map system for the next 2 days? It seemed kind of stale seeing the same maps over and over again. I think they should randomize it a little bit and maybe give the players a veto.
blah blah blah...
StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
July 09 2011 06:22 GMT
#21153
On July 09 2011 15:19 Ome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:16 MechKing wrote:
I can live with the sound problems, and with the observer. But the one thing that really ruins it for me is having no loser's bracket. You can only see the players once, even if they didn't play their best so that's quite unfair. You also don't get the built in drama of players going through the loser's bracket on the path to the grand finals, so it really messes up a lot of stuff. I feel bad for the players that had to pay to fly in and only get to play one bo3 where they might not have played very well.


While a loser's bracket is more exciting for us observers, I wouldn't exactly call their system unfair. Every player going in to the tournament knows the format, they know they have to give it their all in 2/3 games of each match, or they are going home early. I definitely prefer a loser's bracket (especially since it helps build storylines that the NASL wants to build) but I have no sympathy for those who lost, as they knew the stakes.


It's just disheartening to see guys like Ret fly out from the Netherlands only to get knocked out by a bunker rush and an early tank timing (and I was cheering for PuMa).
NaDa | MC | HerO | DeMusliM | TaeJa | viOLet
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 09 2011 06:22 GMT
#21154
On July 09 2011 15:11 MaGariShun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:05 Yozki wrote:
They need to fire the asshole in charge of the sounds.

They should fire the whole production crew. The artwork seems to be done by a 15 year old with paint.NET. They constantly have sound issues. They prerecord stuff only to not cut the mistakes out (it takes too long to look through all the footage inc said once lol). The Skype casts were pretty terrible. The booths dont look very soundproof, pretty, stable, comfortably or any other positive adjective you might come up with (I guess "black" is pretty much the only thing they are).

Here's my theory: They don't say where the money comes from, because the guy/company who pays for it doesnt want his name on that thing. Cant blame him/them

QFT

and no one should gimme that crap about how "they're trying their best guise!!!" This is a business, and last time I checked if you don't do your job properly you lose it.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#21155
Hrmm. I hope the maps are different for the next round.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#21156
On July 09 2011 15:14 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:13 TheDougler wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:09 Terranist wrote:
90% of the "LR" thread - complaining about sound guy
10% of the "LR" thread - starcraft 2 discussion


Well to be fair, it seemed like 10% of the time today was spent playing starcraft. Ok maybe not that bad but still, plus, people are gonna talk more when they ARN'T watching starcraft so couple those two factors together and those numbers sound totally reasonable to me. Lets say one fifth of the time was spent playing SC, and discussion doubled during the downtime... that sounds about right.


This is a great point. There was a bit too much delay, and taking literally an entire day for 8 Bo3s is a little ridiculous.


I agree. Cut the fluff!

The few games I did catch today were good, long, exciting games(except for white-ra). NASL needs to realize that their only redeeming factor is the great players at their tournament and tastosis. Everything else is fluff, and the production is sub par to bad.

Not that I'm hating on NASL. Ultimately this is good because the players get paid and we still see great games. But I am saying that things really need to change; nobody likes the fluff and the production is by far the worst of any major tournament
KingGreasy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States162 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#21157
I hope tomorrow doesn't have anywhere near as much filler. Probably real expensive to rent the convention center and they probably want to make the most of it but come on let the Koreans leave and do some sight seeing rather than chilling for 12 hours for only 8 series of games.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#21158
On July 09 2011 15:16 MechKing wrote:
I can live with the sound problems, and with the observer. But the one thing that really ruins it for me is having no loser's bracket. You can only see the players once, even if they didn't play their best so that's quite unfair. You also don't get the built in drama of players going through the loser's bracket on the path to the grand finals, so it really messes up a lot of stuff. I feel bad for the players that had to pay to fly in and only get to play one bo3 where they might not have played very well.

They had an entire season + playoffs to get to the finals, there's your double elimination, only instead of double it was like quadruple.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#21159
MC was being nice to boxer.
-poor army control, 50/50 while attacking main for example
-no observer, MC always builds tons to spot/feedback Ghosts and keep tabs on army
-No taking out gold he knew was there
-No marching in a killing him letting him re macro up many times
- no celebration, MC always celebrates.
MC for president
BoilingHell
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada98 Posts
July 09 2011 06:25 GMT
#21160
On July 09 2011 15:22 Maliris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:11 MaGariShun wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:05 Yozki wrote:
They need to fire the asshole in charge of the sounds.

They should fire the whole production crew. The artwork seems to be done by a 15 year old with paint.NET. They constantly have sound issues. They prerecord stuff only to not cut the mistakes out (it takes too long to look through all the footage inc said once lol). The Skype casts were pretty terrible. The booths dont look very soundproof, pretty, stable, comfortably or any other positive adjective you might come up with (I guess "black" is pretty much the only thing they are).

Here's my theory: They don't say where the money comes from, because the guy/company who pays for it doesnt want his name on that thing. Cant blame him/them

QFT

and no one should gimme that crap about how "they're trying their best guise!!!" This is a business, and last time I checked if you don't do your job properly you lose it.

It's true.

People are paying money for this, it's not about doing your best when you are selling a product. It's all about competing with the available alternatives. The problem with this in an eSports sense is that good games can happen even when everything else is terrible. I feel that the NASL has been coasting on the fact that despite being lacklustre in every other way, the games have been decent, and some of them have actually been quite good.
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