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I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse.
This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction.
I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS. 
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You can't even compare the skillcap between quake and Halo.
Simply moving like these guys will require you months of training. And you still haven't shot a single frag, calculated powerups...
People have been training on the Quake 3 movement code for more than 11 years. It is just beautiful to watch in my opinion.
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On July 05 2011 09:46 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Btw Quake Live is free to play and runs in browser so anyone that wants to fire it up during downtime can :>
Is the typical game mode 1v1? Or if I played it and joined a game would it be 4v4 or what is the standard gameplay mode?
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On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:Show nested quote +I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse. This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction. I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.
Uh... But Brood War is a better game. Bad example. :D
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what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
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On July 05 2011 09:46 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand you guys arguing this PC vs Console crap. They tried matchmaking PC and Console together in Halo 3 and had to revert it because it failed horribly. Why? Because all the console players were getting beaten constantly and complained. That is the only evidence to my knowledge of a case were they were allowed to play against each other and that was the result. Everything else you guys are arguing is just theory.
that would be difficult when halo 3 was never on pc,
look it may take more skill on pc- no it does take more skill, but it doesnt change the fact that people enjoy halo. You can say that baseball takes no skill, but people still watch it and it is a sport. I dont understand why console vs pc matters.
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On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
health & armor totals
max stack is 200 health / 200 armor
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"stack" is referencing how much armor and health you currently have. The more you have the more you are "stacked".
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On July 05 2011 09:48 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 09:46 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Btw Quake Live is free to play and runs in browser so anyone that wants to fire it up during downtime can :> Is the typical game mode 1v1? Or if I played it and joined a game would it be 4v4 or what is the standard gameplay mode?
There are different modes, you can choose which type of server you join - duel, ffa, team deathmatch, capture the flag etc.
On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
A player's "stack" is the amount of health and armor he has.
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On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
Their health/armor, a good 'stack' is high health/armor.
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On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
The "stack" is the amount of HP/Armor of a player
They can also call it with the numbers directly sometimes, like 200/200 (max stack, you say that the player is "maxed").
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On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:Show nested quote +I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse. This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction. I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.
Sort of. It would be the same logic if you played SC2 with a Wii controller.
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so much love for QL right now, amazing. I wish MLG would start running online qualifiers for the game.
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On July 05 2011 09:50 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"? health & armor totals max stack is 200 health / 200 armor
On July 05 2011 09:50 Voreau wrote:
"stack" is referencing how much armor and health you currently have. The more you have the more you are "stacked".
figured as much Thanks
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This FishStix? guy is pretty good
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On July 05 2011 09:49 vrok wrote:
Uh... But Brood War is a better game. Bad example. :D
I prefer BW too but I don't believe that it is better because it is more mechanically difficult. I believe it is better because of spider mines and siege tanks and the sound zerglings make when they die. ^^
disclaimer: intended to be lighthearted, I am not declaring BW as teh pawnzors and starting a flamewar or something.
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On July 05 2011 09:51 Quesa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse. This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction. I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS. Sort of. It would be the same logic if you played SC2 with a Wii controller.
no quake and halo are two very different games.
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On July 05 2011 09:43 BasedSwag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 09:41 Maliris wrote:On July 05 2011 09:37 A Wet Shamwow wrote:On July 05 2011 09:35 labbe wrote:
My take on the whole PC vs Console discussion is this: Watching console games is a bit like watching handicap basketball. Sure, it can be fun, but you know it's not really the "real thing" I think that we should refer to carmac's wisdom here, it doesn't matter if you think that it is a legitimate esport, what matters is that people enjoy watching it and that is what makes it a esport. ... the whole discussion arised because some guy disputed the fact that console fps are less skilled than fps on PC, a ton of people systematically proved him wrong and you come up with this? I was proven wrong? I didn't see any proof. And here I thought the *fact* that console FPS was technologically & physically limited by its control scheme made it inherently less skill-full...
You cant say what you stated is a fact anymore than i could say the reverse is. You have an opinion that one takes more skill and other people disagree giving there own evidence. In a purely opnion based argument there is no way you can be eitehr right or wrong. I could say PC shooters take far less skill then console shooters and you could not proove me wrong.
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that would be difficult when halo 3 was never on pc,
look it may take more skill on pc- no it does take more skill, but it doesnt change the fact that people enjoy halo. You can say that baseball takes no skill, but people still watch it and it is a sport. I dont understand why console vs pc matters.
Sorry typo, I meant Halo 2.
You can read an article about it here, there are more out there as well:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/710/710522p1.html
It is pretty clear they felt from testing it would be unfair to the Halo 2 console players to pit them against PC players.
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