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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
July 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#1281
I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse.


This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction.

I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
July 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#1282
You can't even compare the skillcap between quake and Halo.

Simply moving like these guys will require you months of training. And you still haven't shot a single frag, calculated powerups...

People have been training on the Quake 3 movement code for more than 11 years. It is just beautiful to watch in my opinion.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
July 05 2011 00:48 GMT
#1283
On July 05 2011 09:46 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Btw Quake Live is free to play and runs in browser so anyone that wants to fire it up during downtime can :>


Is the typical game mode 1v1? Or if I played it and joined a game would it be 4v4 or what is the standard gameplay mode?
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
July 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#1284
On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse.


This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction.

I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.

Uh... But Brood War is a better game. Bad example. :D
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
July 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#1285
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#1286
On July 05 2011 09:46 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand you guys arguing this PC vs Console crap. They tried matchmaking PC and Console together in Halo 3 and had to revert it because it failed horribly. Why? Because all the console players were getting beaten constantly and complained. That is the only evidence to my knowledge of a case were they were allowed to play against each other and that was the result. Everything else you guys are arguing is just theory.

that would be difficult when halo 3 was never on pc,
look it may take more skill on pc- no it does take more skill, but it doesnt change the fact that people enjoy halo. You can say that baseball takes no skill, but people still watch it and it is a sport. I dont understand why console vs pc matters.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 05 2011 00:50 GMT
#1287
On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?


health & armor totals

max stack is 200 health / 200 armor
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Voreau
Profile Joined June 2011
United States192 Posts
July 05 2011 00:50 GMT
#1288
"stack" is referencing how much armor and health you currently have. The more you have the more you are "stacked".
50mineral
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary43 Posts
July 05 2011 00:50 GMT
#1289
also if you wouldnt aware of that, rapha is the flash of quake games who became overly dominant just a few years ago

http://steelseries.com/gaming/teams/sk-gaming/player-interviews/1on1-with-rapha
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1290
On July 05 2011 09:48 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 09:46 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Btw Quake Live is free to play and runs in browser so anyone that wants to fire it up during downtime can :>


Is the typical game mode 1v1? Or if I played it and joined a game would it be 4v4 or what is the standard gameplay mode?

There are different modes, you can choose which type of server you join - duel, ffa, team deathmatch, capture the flag etc.

On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?

A player's "stack" is the amount of health and armor he has.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1291
On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?


Their health/armor, a good 'stack' is high health/armor.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1292
On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?


The "stack" is the amount of HP/Armor of a player
They can also call it with the numbers directly sometimes, like 200/200 (max stack, you say that the player is "maxed").
Quesa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States304 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1293
On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse.


This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction.

I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.


Sort of. It would be the same logic if you played SC2 with a Wii controller.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
tl4life
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada247 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1294
so much love for QL right now, amazing. I wish MLG would start running online qualifiers for the game.
TERRAN IS LOSING! TERRAN IS LOSING!
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
July 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#1295
On July 05 2011 09:50 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 09:49 Quotidian wrote:
what are they refering to when they say "stack"?


health & armor totals

max stack is 200 health / 200 armor



On July 05 2011 09:50 Voreau wrote:
"stack" is referencing how much armor and health you currently have. The more you have the more you are "stacked".



figured as much Thanks
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
July 05 2011 00:52 GMT
#1296
This FishStix? guy is pretty good
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 00:52:32
July 05 2011 00:52 GMT
#1297
On July 05 2011 09:49 vrok wrote:

Uh... But Brood War is a better game. Bad example. :D


I prefer BW too but I don't believe that it is better because it is more mechanically difficult. I believe it is better because of spider mines and siege tanks and the sound zerglings make when they die. ^^

disclaimer: intended to be lighthearted, I am not declaring BW as teh pawnzors and starting a flamewar or something.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 05 2011 00:52 GMT
#1298
On July 05 2011 09:51 Quesa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 09:47 TheLink wrote:
I have never made the argument that people shouldn't watch it. I personally just don't care for it since using a handcontroller just isn't as good as a keyboard + mouse.


This is the same logic that says Brood War is better than SC2 though. Just because a game is more difficult mechanically does not mean it is a better game. I could argue that playing with a handicap (less pointer speed) is more difficult than playing without a handicap (unlimited speed) as you have to accomodate the restriction.

I'm personally having a ton of fun learning all about compeitive FPS.


Sort of. It would be the same logic if you played SC2 with a Wii controller.

no quake and halo are two very different games.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 05 2011 00:52 GMT
#1299
On July 05 2011 09:43 BasedSwag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 09:41 Maliris wrote:
On July 05 2011 09:37 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 05 2011 09:35 labbe wrote:
My take on the whole PC vs Console discussion is this: Watching console games is a bit like watching handicap basketball. Sure, it can be fun, but you know it's not really the "real thing"

I think that we should refer to carmac's wisdom here, it doesn't matter if you think that it is a legitimate esport, what matters is that people enjoy watching it and that is what makes it a esport.

...

the whole discussion arised because some guy disputed the fact that console fps are less skilled than fps on PC, a ton of people systematically proved him wrong and you come up with this?


I was proven wrong? I didn't see any proof. And here I thought the *fact* that console FPS was technologically & physically limited by its control scheme made it inherently less skill-full...


You cant say what you stated is a fact anymore than i could say the reverse is. You have an opinion that one takes more skill and other people disagree giving there own evidence. In a purely opnion based argument there is no way you can be eitehr right or wrong. I could say PC shooters take far less skill then console shooters and you could not proove me wrong.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
July 05 2011 00:53 GMT
#1300
that would be difficult when halo 3 was never on pc,
look it may take more skill on pc- no it does take more skill, but it doesnt change the fact that people enjoy halo. You can say that baseball takes no skill, but people still watch it and it is a sport. I dont understand why console vs pc matters.


Sorry typo, I meant Halo 2.

You can read an article about it here, there are more out there as well:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/710/710522p1.html

It is pretty clear they felt from testing it would be unfair to the Halo 2 console players to pit them against PC players.
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