On July 05 2011 09:23 Adreme wrote:
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Seems like its easier precision not better precision which doenst strike me as better or worse just different.

Its like you could play SC2 with a Madcatz TE stick and if everyone did it it would be a level playing field, competitive and entertaining but it seems weird to use a worse tool for the job. That's why people including myself think console FPS is silly.

To me the controller is the better tool for the job. Ive used both and aiming in PC shooters is laughably easy just as it is in console shooters. Once you figure out sensitivity for both you have basically locked yourself in to a mass amount of headshots. I am sure it is odd for a PC gamer and difficult even to use a console controller because it is different and it takes time to adjust to just like going from xbox to ps3 takes a few mins even for an experienced gamer.

You cant argue this. A mouse has a much higher skill cap and level of control over a controller, there is no debating that, its a fact of the technical aspects of the device. This is the main reason why fps not on PC will never be appealing to me because it has a much lower skill set.

It actually might have a higher skillcap because the controller is a such a handicap, but the performance cap is much, much lower.

It's like taking a perfectly able person and making them play wheelchair basketball. It might be difficult to do, but at the end of the day you're still just in a wheelchair and can't dunk the ball.

EDIT: Everyone should agree that PS3 BlackOps is awful competitive gaming. Halo at least brings a certain refinement because the players have been at it for so long, but PS3 BO is an ugly looking game and the players aren't very good. Even the format/maps they use are terrible.

All new games are unrefined though. Remember SC2 at release? It was a 1 base all-in cheese fest. Hell 1 base zerg was pretty common too. Activisions bigass tournament should add refinement...

Not if they still use a terrible format, and while little brother PC version consistently puts out much better play. When you watch PS3 BO, the basic aiming mechanics are not very good, even for a console game. That's just a weak playerbase, whereas you tune into the PC MW1 community and it's actually somewhat enjoyable.

The theory that aiming on a PC is better is again more of an opnion than a fact because as this thread has shown there are several detractors to that opinion and you cant proove to them that they are eitehr right or wrong.

How is it not a fact? If you set up 3 targets in PC BO and PS3 BO, the PC player will easily get them all first. It's the reason Sony will never allow mouse/keyboard enabled for FPS games because the competitive advantage would be too large. It may be harder to hit things using a controller, but there is no debate that aiming on a PC is better - faster and more accurate.

To me, PS3 BO feels like CSS and CGS. It was a game that never should've been used, but it was new and shiny so sponsors wanted to push it. There's hardly an organic scene to begin with. At least MW1 had that.

I have 0 knowledge on the topic of the viability of competitive FPS games, but isn't letting someone use a mouse and keyboard akin to letting you have MBS and automine and the ability to select more than 12 units at once? ie. the things that BW didnt have but sc2 does which a lot of former BW players say makes the game boring and easy? Thus by the players using controllers in halo and BO, the plays that these players make are all the more impressive to the fans as they are inherently more difficult to make.

As I said before I have no knowledge on the topic so please correct me if I'm wrong.

The thing is, their opponents use the same aiming method. You are not only aiming faster and more precise than you would on consoles, your opponents do to. Sure, people dueling with ancient muskets might be impressive in it's own way. But I am much more interested in the people dueling with M4s. Also, to compensate for the lack of control on consoles, they have added auto-aim, or sticky targeting if you will. That alone says it all in my opinion. Most fps on console are the equivalent of bicycles with training wheels on.

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Dariusz

Poland657 Posts

July 05 2011 08:57 GMT

#1464

Stopped watching the stream when they kicked 2GD

noproblem

United Kingdom161 Posts

July 05 2011 09:09 GMT

#1465

On July 05 2011 17:31 Pandu1986 wrote:

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The VOD is up here : http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/video/mlg-video/1038174366001-state-of-the-game-ep42

Don't know how to download the .flv file though

Its only State of the Game though.

Thanks but does anyone have the bit where 2GD pretended to be TB and trolled everyone about MLG<DH?

I always love a bit of 2GD trolling.

eltese

Sweden369 Posts

July 05 2011 10:34 GMT

#1466

On July 05 2011 18:09 noproblem wrote:

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Thanks but does anyone have the bit where 2GD pretended to be TB and trolled everyone about MLG<DH?

I always love a bit of 2GD trolling.

http://rakaka.se/?newsID=17147

Dird

United Kingdom18 Posts

July 05 2011 10:58 GMT

#1467

On July 05 2011 09:56 Lokj wrote:

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would've guessed that you'd be from the US, but no. Afaik rapha has good competition from cypher and had decent competition from Av3k, Cooller and strenx. Nowhere near Flash' stature imo.

He's talking about like 2009. Rapha won every major tournament for 1.5-2 years before cypher started to take events off him.

Synche

United States1345 Posts

July 05 2011 13:04 GMT

#1468

Can there please be VODS of this event somewhere? Like the whole thing. I unfortunately had to talk to people on the 4th. Damn people. But I don't want to miss the awesomeness.

eltese

Sweden369 Posts

July 05 2011 13:06 GMT

#1469

On July 05 2011 22:04 SimDawg wrote:
Can there please be VODS of this event somewhere? Like the whole thing. I unfortunately had to talk to people on the 4th. Damn people. But I don't want to miss the awesomeness.

Yeah =) The time schedule did not allow me to see the second quake live set ! :O

kwizach

3658 Posts

July 05 2011 19:30 GMT

#1470

In case someone missed this:

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CidO

United States695 Posts

July 05 2011 19:46 GMT

#1471

So who is this 2GD guy? I've never heard of him? Does he cast FPS matches or something? Doesn't ring a bell from fighting streams either. Just curious, someone can PM me and also let me on what he did? Skimmed about 20 pages now with no luck >.>.

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Or is about those tweets from above?

Bobster

Germany3075 Posts

July 05 2011 20:10 GMT

#1472

On July 06 2011 04:46 CidO wrote:
So who is this 2GD guy? I've never heard of him? Does he cast FPS matches or something? Doesn't ring a bell from fighting streams either. Just curious, someone can PM me and also let me on what he did? Skimmed about 20 pages now with no luck >.>.

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Or is about those tweets from above?

This thread will answer all of your questions.

His cast of the Swedish WCG qualifiers with TLO comes recommended. :D

Shinobi1982

1605 Posts

July 05 2011 20:12 GMT

#1473

- Quake pro player (was in Fnatic if memory serves right)
- ESL commentator
- (Sc2) Dreamhack invitational host
- Did some SC2 casting with TLO for WCG?

Thats what was on top of my head, I'm sure he's done much more. But most people know him as Quake player and ESL commentator.