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NickelMail
Profile Joined June 2011
128 Posts
June 28 2011 08:20 GMT
#3641
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.
pulsade13
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia50 Posts
June 28 2011 08:21 GMT
#3642
Congrats Sheth!!!! So awesome!!! So glad he is doing so well! It is much more interesting for me when there is a foreigner. I hope he continues to do well!
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
June 28 2011 08:23 GMT
#3643
On June 28 2011 17:20 NickelMail wrote:
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.

Why is that a bad thing? you have to be playing bad for over a month to get knocked out. If you make it hard to drop out, then that makes it hard for new young players to break in
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 08:24:22
June 28 2011 08:24 GMT
#3644
On June 28 2011 17:20 NickelMail wrote:
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have people complaining about how difficult it is to get in. And how subpar players are still in Code S or how difficult the Open qualifiers are. Whatever the system there will be whine.

BW made it for so many years (and is still running) even while almost never having a league system.

I'm an MMA fan, but he lost. I'm sad. But oh well, he should've done better.
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425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
June 28 2011 08:24 GMT
#3645
Mma just cant macro well enough. He's great at pressure and harass, but if thats denied he cant keep up. He is great at engaging too, but as san showed earlier, that isnt enough. He's basically 2010 mkp but 6 months late. He has potential but he isnt the superstar made him out to be.

At columbus his only serious matches were tvz (lol idra, losira, sheth). in the team league he hasnt beaten top protosses yet. Teams are going to have protoss snipers for him. Puzzle, mc, killer, san, tassadar, inca, yongwha, etc are all favorites against him as are the top terrans: bomber mvp mkp polt nada sc and nestea is obviously a favorite against him.

Mma doesnt even play the best tvz in the world. Mkp, sc, and mvp all play it better. He is overrated hugely
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
June 28 2011 08:26 GMT
#3646
On June 28 2011 17:21 pulsade13 wrote:
Congrats Sheth!!!! So awesome!!! So glad he is doing so well! It is much more interesting for me when there is a foreigner. I hope he continues to do well!


did he play? this makes me super confused
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 08:27:14
June 28 2011 08:26 GMT
#3647
On June 28 2011 17:24 425kid wrote:
Mma just cant macro well enough. He's great at pressure and harass, but if thats denied he cant keep up. He is great at engaging too, but as san showed earlier, that isnt enough. He's basically 2010 mkp but 6 months late. He has potential but he isnt the superstar made him out to be.

At columbus his only serious matches were tvz (lol idra, losira, sheth). in the team league he hasnt beaten top protosses yet. Teams are going to have protoss snipers for him. Puzzle, mc, killer, san, tassadar, inca, yongwha, etc are all favorites against him as are the top terrans: bomber mvp mkp polt nada sc and nestea is obviously a favorite against him.

Mma doesnt even play the best tvz in the world. Mkp, sc, and mvp all play it better. He is overrated hugely

dude you spoke my mind. finally someone who sees sense
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
June 28 2011 08:28 GMT
#3648
Whi gives a crap. What matters is Sheth advancing! :D
oh, hai
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
June 28 2011 08:29 GMT
#3649
On June 28 2011 17:26 Kira__ wrote:
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On June 28 2011 17:21 pulsade13 wrote:
Congrats Sheth!!!! So awesome!!! So glad he is doing so well! It is much more interesting for me when there is a foreigner. I hope he continues to do well!


did he play? this makes me super confused

wut? Yeah he played, + Show Spoiler +
beat san 2-1
NickelMail
Profile Joined June 2011
128 Posts
June 28 2011 08:29 GMT
#3650
On June 28 2011 17:18 mikyaJ wrote:
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On June 28 2011 17:15 NickelMail wrote:
On June 28 2011 17:13 Codeskye wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:45 NickelMail wrote:
Its absurd arguing MMA is over-rated. Totally absurd.

He put Slayers on his back to win two GSTL titles, under tremendous pressure always being the last man Slayers put in. He won MLG convincingly. He came second place in the ST.

The only players in the world who have accomplished more than this are MC, MVP, Nestea, and maybe MKP. Thats it. Thats the list.



maybe mkp?

mkp got 3 runner ups. no one in gsl has done that.

plus mkp's more consistent than mma.


He hasn't won anything. You must win, its part of competitive sports. So yes, maybe MKP.

MMA didn't win either. MLG =/= Gainward. It equals MLG. People don't talk about MC winning Copenhagen and DHI when they include his credentials do they? I hope not. This is why we have seperate TLP data bases.


If you don't consider winning MLG or Dreamhack, or any competitive event with top players, cause its not either in Korea or the GSL, or whatever, then your an ass.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
June 28 2011 08:30 GMT
#3651
On June 28 2011 17:15 usethis2 wrote:
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On June 28 2011 17:01 kusto wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:42 usethis2 wrote:

If anything Puzzle played safe probably expecting MMA's rush/cheese, and won with superior macro and strategy.


It was standard 2rax pressure, that's no cheese, and certainly not a rush.

Since when marine+SCV is standard in TvP?? And I was responding to other people saying how puzzle took advantage of MMA's greedy opening. Well, that argument doesn't bode well with marine/scv rush (MMA) v. 3-gate expand (Puzzle).


It. was. not. an. Marine +SCV.rush. He pulled a few (!!!) SCVs off 2 base to threaten Puzzle with a bunker contain on his expo or to punish high economy focus. The rest of his SCVs was at home, with 2 mules and a third CC coming. He saw it was not going to work, did not commit and simply retreated.

Often people pull a few SCVs in TvZ just to solidify a position with tanks. They repair or build turrets in this position. MMAs play was not in the slightest cheesy with about 3 SCVs pulled at about 8min mark. off 2 base and 2/3rax.
the game is the game
Ingruz
Profile Joined May 2010
Italy380 Posts
June 28 2011 08:30 GMT
#3652
so sad for MMA...
My life for Aiur!
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
June 28 2011 08:30 GMT
#3653
On June 28 2011 16:37 iNcontroL wrote:
GO SHETHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THIS! So awesome he made it vs San : )
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 28 2011 08:31 GMT
#3654
Fml MMA lost fuck. Code b gonna be stacked with a bit of bad luck hero, drg and MMA in same bracket so only one makes it out.

Super super happy for sheth though! Awesome to see him win games, first in gstl and now in gsl. And he is up against another protosss.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 28 2011 08:31 GMT
#3655
On June 28 2011 17:20 NickelMail wrote:
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.


They changed the format anyway, you have to lose 2 matches without winning one to be in the up and down matches now, and the up and down format is 5man group play with the top 2 going to Code S.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 28 2011 08:32 GMT
#3656
On June 28 2011 17:16 mikyaJ wrote:
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On June 28 2011 17:13 Fubi wrote:
On June 28 2011 17:10 Danyl wrote:
On June 28 2011 17:04 mikyaJ wrote:
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On June 28 2011 17:01 Dante08 wrote:
Code A is too fucking brutal. Imagine when the SC1 pros switch over, so many top players might be left out trying to qualify. Gom needs to make it RO64 imo

Code A is not brutal. Mvp and Bomber shot right to the finals the second they got into Code A. As did Losira. As did Alicia (to the Semi's actually). Code A is not brutal, the qualification process is. But it's the same in BW though, they have offline prelims to. As a matter of fact, Bisu, Zero, and a few other great players got knocked out in the Dual Tournament for this OSL (i.e. reeeeeeeeeeeally early for them).
When two Code-S caliber players have to duke it out in the Ro32 you have to recognize that Code-A is pretty damned tough.

But then we get games like Yoda vs Min and I wonder about the quality of Code A.

Yea, brutal isn't probably the right word. More like unlucky seedings. It is just brutal for the audience to watch because they all know both of the players deserve to at least advance past the first round.

Well remaking it to a 64 man tourney wouldn't fix that. You'd still have people get knocked out in the first round. And they would have to re-qualify. (regarding the OP ofc)

Yea upsets will always happen regardless of format. It's just that if you pool all the Code S players into Code A, and do some seeding, at least after a few runs, the chances of upsets happening the first round will be lower.

Because at the current moment, Code S players get multiple "lifelines". Because at the moment, Code S players only has to beat 1 of 3 opponents to stay in Code S, THEN even if they lose to all 3, they have 1 or 2 chances in the up and downs to stay in Code S. THEN even if they lose that they only have to win two rounds of Code A to get back to the Ups and Downs.

Where as a Code B player has to go thru the brutal qualifier just to get a shot at that.

In reality tho, it has already been proven that there really isn't much skill disparity between the Code S/A/B, aside from maybe the top 5 in Code S.

Imo, it should be some sort of RO64 with 4-5 man group plays first round, and with only the top 8 not having to requalify for next season. Or some variation of this. The current format is just too brutal to watch for the audience. It's alrite for a game like BW where it is less volatile, but for SC2, this format is not suitable, at least not yet.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 28 2011 08:32 GMT
#3657
On June 28 2011 17:17 Herry wrote:
I just would like to point out, that almost everyone watches professional sports (not only esports) because of the possible bonjwa's, Jordan, Tiger Woods, Flash, sAviOr, Schumacher you name it, they bring a sense of wonder and excitement to any sport.


I really don't get why people want to see 1 person/team dominating everything, I really don't. Vettel is killing F1 for me, Barcelona killed the champions league. Tennis got interesting when Federer lost his throne not when he obtained it. Sense of wonder and excitement when you know before hand it's going to take a miracle to beat them?
NickelMail
Profile Joined June 2011
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 08:37:30
June 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#3658
On June 28 2011 17:24 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 17:20 NickelMail wrote:
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have people complaining about how difficult it is to get in. And how subpar players are still in Code S or how difficult the Open qualifiers are. Whatever the system there will be whine.

BW made it for so many years (and is still running) even while almost never having a league system.

I'm an MMA fan, but he lost. I'm sad. But oh well, he should've done better.


Have a points system or exemptions or something. There can still be a lot of turnover and opportunity, but players who have won and posted a lot of results shouldn't be booted to code'A' for a bad couple weeks. If Nestea has a bad couple matches and goes down to code 'A', that to me sounds ridiculous. Its just my opinion but yeah, ridiculous.

It'd be like kicking Tiger Woods off the PGA tour cause he hasn't done much the last 18 months. Sorry Tiger, down to the nation wide tour. How ridiculous is that.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 28 2011 08:35 GMT
#3659
On June 28 2011 17:20 NickelMail wrote:
The GSL system is dumb. You can win 3 GSL's in a row, lose 1 match and your in up and down matches - 1 step from code 'A'. Have a bad couple weeks, you could be out of code 'A' and into code 'B'

The level of consistency required is really not sustainable for anyone. Your going to have slumps, and if a two - three week slump means code 'B', that's a harsh system indeed.

Well, I've been thinking the opposite actually. I can't wait for the day Tester drops out of code S but it's just not happening because of the stronghold Code S system. And think about all the great players that still haven't made it into code A. I'd rather have DRG in code A/S than MMA or Tester.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
June 28 2011 08:36 GMT
#3660
God this can happen when you get over a week to train for a specific person, generally if your both very good players its normally the guy who trains the best who wins!! MMA may be predictable.
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