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On June 26 2011 06:37 Klosetmonkey wrote:
is it only me who thinks bo3 is really bad? i feel like a bo5 gives a better chance for the better player to shine and will shut up a lot of peoples annoying arguments about who is better etc. god its so annoying
Nah, Bo5 would take forever when you have as many series to play as you do in a double-elimination tournament. IdrA didn't lose that match because it was a Bo3, he lost because he thought he couldn't lose and played lazily.
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On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.
Idra played some fantastic games you have to recognize that. He won two times against MC and played a good game against him in the extended series which he lost because of some questionable decisions in a difficult match up at MLG. He owned IGN season one. He is one of the best foreign Zergs and one of the best and consistent American players which explains why he has so many fans. I think it's quite clear thought that from time to time he just beats himself losing against strategies or players he should be able to beat. I mean you have to just look at the games he quit while he was winning against Huk and MMA. If his biggest problem isn't his mentality then what is it?
I still think Tarson did a fantastic job of playing the series to his favour. He tried a macro game at the map which favored it the most for him and it failed pretty hard so he decided to do two well executed aggressive strategies and it worked out.
On June 26 2011 06:39 YoungNeil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:37 Klosetmonkey wrote:
is it only me who thinks bo3 is really bad? i feel like a bo5 gives a better chance for the better player to shine and will shut up a lot of peoples annoying arguments about who is better etc. god its so annoying Nah, Bo5 would take forever when you have as many series to play as you do in a double-elimination tournament. IdrA didn't lose that match because it was a Bo3, he lost because he thought he couldn't lose and played lazily.
I agree. If you can win a Bo5 why shouldn't you be able to win a Bo3. In a Bo3 your mistakes matter more and Idra clearly made blatant mistakes in those last two games so you can't really complain that he lost because he got unlucky. It's perfectly fine to have Bo3s up to the semi finals.
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On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general  . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour.
Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world.
If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem.
Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
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On June 26 2011 06:36 Benga wrote:
All off idra fan boys you guys need to motivate idra practice more than 3 hours a day.
Whenever Idra loses the thread becomes inflammatory shit.
Nah at least im not Idra fanboy but i tend to defence the ones who is being hated for stupid reasons and Idra is one of those many times.
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On June 26 2011 06:36 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant. So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/ And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level.
Hmm, I don't know about that. I think many people act as if he is truly a top tier player, a MC, Nestea, MVP, potential GSL winner. Not just some dude whose only realistic aim is to stay in Code S, which is what Idra would be.
Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.
Well I guess now that everyone is finally accepting that Koreans > Foreigners, Idra can be just like in BW, "good for a foreigner".
As I said, he's a good player. He's one of the best foreigners. But he's not a top tier player, and he'll never consistently beat someone like MC. And that's completely ignoring his mental issues, which of course bring him further down.
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On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D
that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing.
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On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
..yeah because they are completely different people? Lol at the physical threat thing, because MC is actually threatening to beat them and then cut their throats right?
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On June 26 2011 06:41 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:36 imareaver3 wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant. So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/ And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level. Hmm, I don't know about that. I think many people act as if he is truly a top tier player, a MC, Nestea, MVP, potential GSL winner. Not just some dude whose only realistic aim is to stay in Code S, which is what Idra would be. Show nested quote +
Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.
Well I guess now that everyone is finally accepting that Koreans > Foreigners, Idra can be just like in BW, "good for a foreigner". As I said, he's a good player. He's one of the best foreigners. But he's not a top player, and he'll never consistently beat someone like MC.
I'm pretty sure Idra nailed Code S repeatedly during his Korean stay.
And no, he won't consistantly beat MC unless the EG team house does a fucking amazing job or he returns to Korea, he needs to understand that.
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On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing.
It's not his own fualt for being unfriendly?
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On June 26 2011 06:39 YoungNeil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:37 Klosetmonkey wrote:
is it only me who thinks bo3 is really bad? i feel like a bo5 gives a better chance for the better player to shine and will shut up a lot of peoples annoying arguments about who is better etc. god its so annoying Nah, Bo5 would take forever when you have as many series to play as you do in a double-elimination tournament. IdrA didn't lose that match because it was a Bo3, he lost because he thought he couldn't lose and played lazily.
He lost infact 2 Bo3 after winning the first game.
means - opponent came back twice 
Or let's keep at this: if IdrA loses a Bo5 then are people yelling "he would have won a BO7!" and if he loses a BO7, then are we supposed to see 9? ^_^
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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
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On June 26 2011 06:06 Stijn wrote:
Haha, the whole Idra casting was nothing compared to HasuObs/Socke/Delphi casting Goody vs Darkforce yesterday, no reason to make a huge drama out of this I'd say.
this be so true. They were really taking Goody's ass! The Idra thing was tame compared... It actually made me want to watch more Goody games though since he was winning with like 30 apm!
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why do the pro idra trolls and anti idra trolls start taking over threads after Idra plays?
I sometimes wish He wouldnt play just because im getting so sick of this childish behaviour some of you display!
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On June 26 2011 06:44 XOR3000 wrote:
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
best GIRLquote ever i guess ; )
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On June 26 2011 06:32 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:30 Steamroller wrote:On June 26 2011 06:25 Poopi wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 NickelMail wrote:
I don't play Zerg so my opinion on this maybe wrong, but can't Zerg open Pool first and be much safer, and just slow their economy a little? Does this not make sense vs players who you are probably better than?
Idras a better player than Tarson, but Idra isn't that much better that if he makes a mistake, Tarson can't capitalize. Play safer. IdrA isn't a better player than Tarson... Tarson vs MC should be interesting, I hope that Tarson will play agressive Idra absolutely dominated 3 games out of 5 against Tarson. Also previous results speaks in favor of Idra. It's times like this that MLG's dumb extended series rule isn't so dumb.
It is dumb, in every case.
So now that MC is 8-2 against Idra, the next time they meet Idra has to win 8 games and MC has to win 2 to advance? Ok.
The only reason either Tarson or Idra were still in the tournament is because it's a double elimination. Is stupid to say that because Idra beat Tarson before, he should have an advantage at this time. The only time you can claim that is in the finals to make it fair for the player who hasn't lost a series in the whole tournament.
And it's even more retarded that MLG takes into consideration pool play results with the extended series rule.
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my mind is kinda blown that both MC AND White-Rahave yet to cast a game.
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On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
It's not a physical threat in relation to Starcraft, it just means "I'm going to crush you(in the game)".
Flipping someone of is slightly different from a ceremony such as that.
There would still be backlash if MC did something like that, less so for TLO, but it's not all that surprising. If someone is constantly a bit of a jerk, it's different from someone who is generally well respected and considered a cool guy, but who does something douchey in a particular instance.
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On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
If you think that MC's throat slash gesture is considered to be a physical threat, you are a silly, silly person.
To be honest, I didn't see anybody complaining about IdrA giving HuK the finger (example case), most people in the MLG thread seemed to think it was pretty funny. Most of the hate on IdrA's much-hyped "BM" nature comes from the fact that he's a sore loser. People who say IdrA is BM might not think the same of MC, since MC tends to be quiet and respectful when he loses. He's full of confidence and bravado and he often does ceremonies when he wins, but that's completely different from IdrA. IdrA is the one who leaves without gg'ing or flames people who beat him, which is not at all comparable to what MC does. It's really not surprising that people who dislike IdrA or MC for so-called bad manners can have no problem with the other.
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On June 26 2011 06:42 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:41 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 imareaver3 wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant. So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/ And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level. Hmm, I don't know about that. I think many people act as if he is truly a top tier player, a MC, Nestea, MVP, potential GSL winner. Not just some dude whose only realistic aim is to stay in Code S, which is what Idra would be.
Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.
Well I guess now that everyone is finally accepting that Koreans > Foreigners, Idra can be just like in BW, "good for a foreigner". As I said, he's a good player. He's one of the best foreigners. But he's not a top player, and he'll never consistently beat someone like MC. I'm pretty sure Idra nailed Code S repeatedly during his Korean stay. And no, he won't consistantly beat MC unless the EG team house does a fucking amazing job or he returns to Korea, he needs to understand that.
He was never a threat to actually win a GSL, though.
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