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IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
June 25 2011 21:53 GMT
#8881
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.
Legend`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada381 Posts
June 25 2011 21:54 GMT
#8882
On June 26 2011 06:51 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:46 Kraznaya wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.


idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways.


loss to f91 -> fluke
loss to nony -> fluke
can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro

never change :D


that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing.


Poor Idra, no one wants to interact with a jerk.

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Yeah post a picture of Idra with his teammate (Demuslim) and his teammate's best friend (Rotterdam). Definitely proved your point there man
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
June 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#8883
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.

Very sad that you join this thread , Day 1 thread & Day 2 thread were amazing, really no whines at all, this one was quite good before IdrA lost.
It appears I have been chosen.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#8884
On June 26 2011 06:49 sitromit wrote:
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On June 26 2011 05:48 zeru wrote:
On June 26 2011 05:48 TelesisGQ wrote:
Another cheesy fucking terran. yay.

standard 2 rax bunker pressure. not cheese. sorry idra fans.


The fact that it's standard doesn't make it any less cheesy. It just makes it something that actually shouldn't be in the game. That you can outright do enough damage to kill your opponent, without even going all in and falling behind if it fails, is simply ridiculous.

And I'm not even an Idra fan...

Firstly, it's not cheesy. Please don't abuse the term. 2rax is eminently scoutable, and the strategy does not rely on not being scouted. It's not cheese in any way whatever.

Secondly, many pressure builds can outright kill your opponent, if they are greedy or they botch the defence. Terrans are not unknown to die to a 3gate expand, for example. This is in fact part of the point of pressure builds; to punish your opponent if possible.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
June 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#8885
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.


true. a simple 2 rax as strong as it may be simply destroys this thread. tarson read idra well and idra went into tilt mode. so what.

most awesome tourney ever. don't let the memories be spoiled!
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
tooPrime
Profile Joined March 2011
United States245 Posts
June 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#8886
On June 26 2011 06:51 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:42 Denzil wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:41 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:36 imareaver3 wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.

This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant.

So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/



And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level.

Hmm, I don't know about that. I think many people act as if he is truly a top tier player, a MC, Nestea, MVP, potential GSL winner. Not just some dude whose only realistic aim is to stay in Code S, which is what Idra would be.

Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.

Well I guess now that everyone is finally accepting that Koreans > Foreigners, Idra can be just like in BW, "good for a foreigner".

As I said, he's a good player. He's one of the best foreigners. But he's not a top player, and he'll never consistently beat someone like MC.


I'm pretty sure Idra nailed Code S repeatedly during his Korean stay.

And no, he won't consistantly beat MC unless the EG team house does a fucking amazing job or he returns to Korea, he needs to understand that.

He was only in one Code S before leaving. He was never anywhere near actually winning one. It's not a huge sample size, but I see no reason to think he would be any better than another guy trying to hang on to Code S.

Agree on the second part. I don't get why he left. There's no more easy money outside Korea, all the Koreans are entering the tournaments now!


To be fair his GSL history is losing to Zenio, MVP, and Jinro when Jungle Basin and close positions were in the map pool.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:56:27
June 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#8887
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.


in BW the forums could safely agree that Idra was a bad joke

Now TL has a ridiculous amount of Idra fanboys
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
hadang
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany941 Posts
June 25 2011 21:56 GMT
#8888
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.


The threads have been very positive over the last days,only when Idra looses the whining and flaming starts.
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:58:17
June 25 2011 21:56 GMT
#8889
On June 26 2011 06:47 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around.

IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him.
I respect him for that.

You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird.

Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes.
Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself.
Who knows...

I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind?
Not meant as a jab to you, just in general .


THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour.


Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world.

If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem.
Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.


idra calls huk trash in every MLG dallas interview after wrinning, calls players walkovers before playing against them. this guy has pretty much dished out BM in every possible combination of scenarios of win/lose pre-game/post-game. he is nothing special. completely overrated and it's showing. yeah you can always play the "of if it weren't for his mental state he would be really good". btw MC is not bm.


I have to agree recent results show him he is overrated.Im not saying he's a not a good player but its not like when he was in Korea.He is totally arrogant and believes he can win anyone in macro games, which he cant among the koreans.Doesnt confirm cheesing as a part of a game,BMing players who wins him because he thinks he's more better,and a warrior in sotg forum.He should practice more than 3 hours and acknowledge he aint the best
hi
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:58:18
June 25 2011 21:56 GMT
#8890

Yeah post a picture of Idra with his teammate (Demuslim) and his teammate's best friend (Rotterdam). Definitely proved your point there man


Erm, yeah he kinda did prove his point that people would socialize with him. There are plenty of people socalizing with IdrA and you're a tool to think otherwise...

Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw?
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
chasfrank
Profile Joined March 2010
Gambia59 Posts
June 25 2011 21:57 GMT
#8891
On June 26 2011 06:49 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 05:48 zeru wrote:
On June 26 2011 05:48 TelesisGQ wrote:
Another cheesy fucking terran. yay.

standard 2 rax bunker pressure. not cheese. sorry idra fans.


The fact that it's standard doesn't make it any less cheesy. It just makes it something that actually shouldn't be in the game. That you can outright do enough damage to kill your opponent, without even going all in and falling behind if it fails, is simply ridiculous.

And I'm not even an Idra fan...


Something that is ridiculously cheap and infinitely harder to stop than it is to execute... holy cow... that sounds an awful lot like... what, Banelings?


On a more serious note, any economic 2 Barracks should be stopped by every Zerg these days. Any uneconomic 2 Barracks will have you behind if it fails.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
June 25 2011 21:57 GMT
#8892
On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around.

IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him.
I respect him for that.

You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird.

Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes.
Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself.
Who knows...

I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind?
Not meant as a jab to you, just in general .


THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour.


Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world.

If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem.
Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.


physical threat? are you serious or youre just trolling? what MC did was pure entertainment and idra responded as an offended 12yo. are you familiar with the word 'outclassed'? it was invented for circumstances like this one. and.. physical threat? how soft are you or how stupid to say things like that? jesus fing christ.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 25 2011 21:57 GMT
#8893
On June 26 2011 06:55 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.

Very sad that you join this thread , Day 1 thread & Day 2 thread were amazing, really no whines at all, this one was quite good before IdrA lost.


Wouldn't it be nice to be able to filter out all that "junk"? I took a break from watching, come back and I see the same things. Trying to find information not in the OP in regards to games is a bit annoying these days.
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Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
June 25 2011 21:58 GMT
#8894
On June 26 2011 06:48 Paladia wrote:
It's interesting how the only ones defending Idra are Americans. Must be because only the americans are objective in regards to Idra..



Yep isn't kind of sad it's mostly due to the fact that there aren't any good US players little at that and fanboys just try to protect him.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
June 25 2011 21:59 GMT
#8895
On June 26 2011 06:53 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, just came here and all I read is whining, complaints etc. Why can't you just enjoy the damn event. -_-

What happened to TL.net? There was much more enjoyment on these forums in the BroodWar days.


Mardow when are you going to start serious playing again? I was a fan of your Zerg ♥
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:02:22
June 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#8896
On June 26 2011 06:58 Rasky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:48 Paladia wrote:
It's interesting how the only ones defending Idra are Americans. Must be because only the americans are objective in regards to Idra..



Yep isn't kind of sad it's mostly due to the fact that there aren't any good US players little at that and fanboys just try to protect him.


There is HuK. He is American and Canadian.

€: Dont get the reason for the whines... the bming? IdrA didnt get bmed at all imo.
And why do ppl say he is "overrated"? He is just rated as good as he is - Top3 foreign Zerg. Not more not less.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
June 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#8897
On June 26 2011 06:57 shaman6ix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around.

IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him.
I respect him for that.

You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird.

Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes.
Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself.
Who knows...

I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind?
Not meant as a jab to you, just in general .


THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour.


Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world.

If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem.
Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.


physical threat? are you serious or youre just trolling? what MC did was pure entertainment and idra responded as an offended 12yo. are you familiar with the word 'outclassed'? it was invented for circumstances like this one. and.. physical threat? how soft are you or how stupid to say things like that? jesus fing christ.


just ignore the troll. he thinks MC is threatening Idra's life when Idra himself recognized MC is a showman who's trying to create hype for the audience. In a recent Dreamhack interview he said he would play along lol.
DONTPANIC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States340 Posts
June 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#8898
Awesome event! So many great players and games played! This thread is just plain silly. Ya'll gossip more than a hair salon. Looks like the most fun event ever. Wish I could be there.
The universe is big. Really big.
rekoJ
Profile Joined June 2011
Afghanistan106 Posts
June 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#8899
Lol everytime Idra is loosing its a drama...fanboy versus Trashboy....we need a huge battlefield
Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
June 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#8900
On June 26 2011 07:00 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:58 Rasky wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:48 Paladia wrote:
It's interesting how the only ones defending Idra are Americans. Must be because only the americans are objective in regards to Idra..



Yep isn't kind of sad it's mostly due to the fact that there aren't any good US players little at that and fanboys just try to protect him.


There is HuK. He is American and Canadian.

€: Dont get the reason for the whines... the bming? IdrA didnt get bmed at all imo.


HuK is Korean.
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