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On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing.
Poor Idra, no one wants to interact with a jerk. 
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On June 26 2011 06:37 dpL wrote:
How dare you people ruin the HomeStory Cup thread? This ground is sacred.
This.
Also, this: <3.
Looking forward to day IV.
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On June 26 2011 06:46 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Poor Idra, no one wants to interact with a jerk.
The Homestory players interacted a lot with him - can't be such a jerk ; )
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On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general  . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
idra calls huk trash in every MLG dallas interview after wrinning, calls players walkovers before playing against them. this guy has pretty much dished out BM in every possible combination of scenarios of win/lose pre-game/post-game. he is nothing special. completely overrated and it's showing. yeah you can always play the "of if it weren't for his mental state he would be really good". i'm far more impressed with foreign zergs like sen and stephano. btw MC is not bm.
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On June 26 2011 06:42 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. It's not his own fualt for being unfriendly?
it's not like idra can change his personality, he just has to work with what he has. we should all try and be more understanding of his bad mentality. plus he got a girlfriend so that means he must be capable of being sociable if he really wanted to.
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It's interesting how the only ones defending Idra are Americans. Must be because only the americans are objective in regards to Idra..
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On June 26 2011 05:48 zeru wrote:standard 2 rax bunker pressure. not cheese. sorry idra fans.
The fact that it's standard doesn't make it any less cheesy. It just makes it something that actually shouldn't be in the game. That you can outright do enough damage to kill your opponent, without even going all in and falling behind if it fails, is simply ridiculous.
And I'm not even an Idra fan...
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I wonder why didnt idra cut the reinforcements. IMO it was the main reason why he did lose the last game.
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On June 26 2011 06:49 zatic wrote:
Poker stream still on?
Yes.
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i bought the hd, are there any vods?
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On June 26 2011 06:47 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community. idra calls huk trash in every MLG dallas interview after wrinning, calls players walkovers before playing against them. this guy has pretty much dished out BM in every possible combination of scenarios of win/lose pre-game/post-game. he is nothing special. completely overrated and it's showing. yeah you can always play the "of if it weren't for his mental state he would be really good". btw MC is not bm.
LOL every time he plays a foreigner he says he will 2-0, 3-0 them and its easy, same on lots of GSL matches.
You just proved my point.
ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community
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On June 26 2011 06:46 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Poor Idra, no one wants to interact with a jerk.
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On June 26 2011 06:42 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:41 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 imareaver3 wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant. So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/ And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level. Hmm, I don't know about that. I think many people act as if he is truly a top tier player, a MC, Nestea, MVP, potential GSL winner. Not just some dude whose only realistic aim is to stay in Code S, which is what Idra would be.
Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.
Well I guess now that everyone is finally accepting that Koreans > Foreigners, Idra can be just like in BW, "good for a foreigner". As I said, he's a good player. He's one of the best foreigners. But he's not a top player, and he'll never consistently beat someone like MC. I'm pretty sure Idra nailed Code S repeatedly during his Korean stay. And no, he won't consistantly beat MC unless the EG team house does a fucking amazing job or he returns to Korea, he needs to understand that.
He was only in one Code S before leaving. He was never anywhere near actually winning one. It's not a huge sample size, but I see no reason to think he would be any better than another guy trying to hang on to Code S.
Agree on the second part. I don't get why he left. There's no more easy money outside Korea, all the Koreans are entering the tournaments now!
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On June 26 2011 06:50 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:47 JoeSchmoe wrote:On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community. idra calls huk trash in every MLG dallas interview after wrinning, calls players walkovers before playing against them. this guy has pretty much dished out BM in every possible combination of scenarios of win/lose pre-game/post-game. he is nothing special. completely overrated and it's showing. yeah you can always play the "of if it weren't for his mental state he would be really good". btw MC is not bm. LOL every time he plays a foreigner he says he will 2-0, 3-0 them and its easy, same on lots of GSL matches. You just proved my point. Show nested quote +ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community
The difference is that MC actually does 2-0 and 3-0 them. He might say it was an easy win if it was, but he isn't BM.
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On June 26 2011 06:50 Tegeltje wrote:
i bought the hd, are there any vods?
there will be
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On June 26 2011 06:49 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 05:48 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 05:48 TelesisGQ wrote:
Another cheesy fucking terran. yay. standard 2 rax bunker pressure. not cheese. sorry idra fans. The fact that it's standard doesn't make it any less cheesy. It just makes it something that actually shouldn't be in the game. That you can outright do enough damage to kill your opponent, without even going all in and falling behind if it fails, is simply ridiculous. And I'm not even an Idra fan...
Please get your balance bullshit out of the LR thread.
If you completely mess up your response to most early pressures, you'll lose the game. If you both play perfectly, it comes out almost even, and if the bunker rusher fucks up while pulling too many SCV's he is way behind.
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On June 26 2011 06:48 Paladia wrote:
It's interesting how the only ones defending Idra are Americans. Must be because only the americans are objective in regards to Idra..
Not true.
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On June 26 2011 06:40 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 06:25 Leviance wrote:On June 26 2011 06:22 Fyzar wrote:On June 26 2011 06:20 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:18 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 ODieN wrote:On June 26 2011 06:16 frozenrb wrote:
I heard many pro gamers don't like Idra, (but they respect him as a players). What goes aroud comes around. IdrA is the type of person that doesn't really give a shit if anyone likes him or not. He's just him. I respect him for that. You respect someone for being a dick to others and for not caring what people think? Kinda weird. Sure, he can be a dick, but I do respect him for the most part, yes. Why not say what's on your mind? Maybe I only think this because I'm an outspoken person myself. Who knows... I find this kinda strange, not necessarily you, but a lot of people are like this, they like him for saying whatever is on his mind, no matter what other people think of it, but then they criticize Naama for saying what's on his mind? Not meant as a jab to you, just in general . THIS!! People praising IdrA for saying what he thinks, then other pros say what they think and booom it's unacceptable behaviour. Its more like the other way around if MC gives the throat slash which is considered to be a physical threat its ok, but if Idra flips the finger(as a response), then its the end of the world. If MC or TLO did the same things idra does then it would be no problem. Not saying idra is a saint, but lots of people are hypocrites and ignore or don't make a big deal out of something if its MC or some beloved figure in the community.
I can see MC throat slashing but i can't imagine him giving a finger
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