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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
June 25 2011 21:35 GMT
#8821
Dear IdrA fans, if everything is fucked up because a "worse" player wins against a "better" player, what is the point of any tournament then?

Shouldn't the first prize just be given to the "best" player without playing then? Interesting way to look at sports competitions, really.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 25 2011 21:35 GMT
#8822
Wow, totally didn't expect Idra to lose that ZvT. just got back from the gym, what happened?
rekoJ
Profile Joined June 2011
Afghanistan106 Posts
June 25 2011 21:35 GMT
#8823
On June 26 2011 06:33 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:32 rekoJ wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:31 Karakaxe wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:30 Steamroller wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:25 Poopi wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:18 NickelMail wrote:
I don't play Zerg so my opinion on this maybe wrong, but can't Zerg open Pool first and be much safer, and just slow their economy a little? Does this not make sense vs players who you are probably better than?

Idras a better player than Tarson, but Idra isn't that much better that if he makes a mistake, Tarson can't capitalize. Play safer.

IdrA isn't a better player than Tarson...
Tarson vs MC should be interesting, I hope that Tarson will play agressive


Idra absolutely dominated 3 games out of 5 against Tarson. Also previous results speaks in favor of Idra.

Doesn't matter, right now Tarson is the better player. He won.



In MlG colombus in the lower bracket they didn't do thing like if the past opponents won 2 games, he just needed to win one more game to close the bo3?

No it gets converted to a bo7 So it starts 2-0/2-1


Ok, it was pretty fair I think, at least they were keeping the record of the last bo3
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:36:38
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#8824
All off idra fan boys you guys need to motivate idra practice more than 3 hours a day.
Whenever Idra loses the thread becomes inflammatory shit.
hi
CoB-Vince
Profile Joined July 2010
143 Posts
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#8825
On June 26 2011 06:35 nvs. wrote:
Wow, totally didn't expect Idra to lose that ZvT. just got back from the gym, what happened?


Idra didnt expect a 2rax push in the final third game.

But he didnt really bm, he prob wasnt expecting to leave the tourney this way
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#8826
On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.


idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways.


loss to f91 -> fluke
loss to nony -> fluke
can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro

never change :D
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#8827
On June 26 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.

This. He's a good player of course, but he's no better than an average Code S Korean, even when his mentality isn't pulling him down. And lately he seems to be getting worse, presumably due to suboptimal practice conditions and being lazy/arrogant.

So many Koreans were better BW players too, I don't know why people even bring up his BW history :/



And no one claims he's better than the average Code S Korean--and he is on their level. Relative to other foreigners, that's amazing. You could count on one hand the number of non-Korean players who could seriously compete in Code S.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#8828
On June 26 2011 06:35 nvs. wrote:
Wow, totally didn't expect Idra to lose that ZvT. just got back from the gym, what happened?

Idra wins standard game 1. Loses game 2 after bad micro on his side when Tarson does a hellions into banshee push, actually losing his queens to hellions and a banshee arrives. Game 3 was 2rax double bunker rush, he manages to surround, but mis-targets the last scv which completes the bunker.
the farm ends here
Klosetmonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway208 Posts
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8829
is it only me who thinks bo3 is really bad? i feel like a bo5 gives a better chance for the better player to shine and will shut up a lot of peoples annoying arguments about who is better etc. god its so annoying
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else
BlindDruid
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany653 Posts
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8830
On June 26 2011 06:36 Benga wrote:
All off idra fan boys you guys need to motivate idra practice more than 3 hours a day.
Whenever Idra loses the thread becomes inflammatory shit.


He would have won if he would have eaten a steak form White-Ra.

White-Ra steaks>practicing!
YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8831
On June 26 2011 06:31 Karakaxe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:30 Steamroller wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:25 Poopi wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:18 NickelMail wrote:
I don't play Zerg so my opinion on this maybe wrong, but can't Zerg open Pool first and be much safer, and just slow their economy a little? Does this not make sense vs players who you are probably better than?

Idras a better player than Tarson, but Idra isn't that much better that if he makes a mistake, Tarson can't capitalize. Play safer.

IdrA isn't a better player than Tarson...
Tarson vs MC should be interesting, I hope that Tarson will play agressive


Idra absolutely dominated 3 games out of 5 against Tarson. Also previous results speaks in favor of Idra.

Doesn't matter, right now Tarson is the better player. He won.

That doesn't mean he's the better player, it mean he won. It doesn't even mean that he played better in those games, although I think it's fair to say that he did.

Being the better player has nothing to do with previous results, it's about how well a person can actually play the game. It would be better summarized as the likelihood of IdrA winning against Tarson. Even if you were to go by record, it's ridiculous to say that Tarson is simply the better player because he won the more recent (by a few hours) of five games, when he still won the minority of them.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8832
On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day.


idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways.


loss to f91 -> fluke
loss to nony -> fluke
can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro

never change :D

<3.

These discussions should really stop now ;>, just make a dedicated IRC channel if you like to discuss it
It appears I have been chosen.
ostarasang
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:38:33
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8833
On June 26 2011 06:35 nvs. wrote:
Wow, totally didn't expect Idra to lose that ZvT. just got back from the gym, what happened?

game 1: tarson went for mech, idra outmacroed him -> gg, 1-0 idra
game 2: tarson opened hellion pressure, banshees as followup, idras economy was screwed -> gg 1-1
game 3: tarson opened 2rax bunker pressure vs hatch first, idra defended poorly -> gg 2-1 tarson

edit: infact there was no gg called in the third game :o excuse me =)
Schwarz schaut Glitzerwucherflut, das Zerrwerk, das nur nachtseits ruht.
dpL
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden571 Posts
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8834
How dare you people ruin the HomeStory Cup thread? This ground is sacred.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:38:40
June 25 2011 21:37 GMT
#8835
On June 26 2011 06:35 nvs. wrote:
Wow, totally didn't expect Idra to lose that ZvT. just got back from the gym, what happened?

Game 1 was really embarrassing macro game stomp, in which Tarson thought 2 thors (4 total), no marines, would be enough to defend against 20ish mutas

Game 2 Idra lost an overlord early to a marine, guessed hellion count wrong and mismicroed lings a bit and died to those hellions + banshee

Game 3 idra went really late pool and mishandled 2 rax bunker rush and lost
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
June 25 2011 21:38 GMT
#8836
People need to understand that Idra was a sore loser even back in the old days when he was a "nobody" Terran, long before he went to Korea. This has nothing to do with supposed imbalance.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 25 2011 21:38 GMT
#8837
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:39:12
June 25 2011 21:38 GMT
#8838
On June 26 2011 06:37 BlindDruid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:36 Benga wrote:
All off idra fan boys you guys need to motivate idra practice more than 3 hours a day.
Whenever Idra loses the thread becomes inflammatory shit.


He would have won if he would have eaten a steak form White-Ra.

White-Ra steaks>practicing!


That's true. I bet Tarson ate the steak.

On June 26 2011 06:38 zeru wrote:
Anyone know if koreans are following this tournament? any netizen reactions?


Ya I would love to see how they react to the atmosphere of the tournament, especially after their positive reaction to MLG and Dreamhack... but I don't know if this is something many of them will follow.
ElementalKnight
Profile Joined January 2011
57 Posts
June 25 2011 21:39 GMT
#8839
On June 26 2011 06:29 Kraznaya wrote:MC does it to entertain, for the joy of the game. Idra does it because he's an insecure personality. You might notice that MC performs ceremonies out of joy when he wins, and all the controversies about manner that Idra creates are when he loses.


This post is 100% right. That's exactly why I like MC and don't like Idra.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 25 2011 21:39 GMT
#8840
On June 26 2011 06:37 BlindDruid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 06:36 Benga wrote:
All off idra fan boys you guys need to motivate idra practice more than 3 hours a day.
Whenever Idra loses the thread becomes inflammatory shit.


He would have won if he would have eaten a steak form White-Ra.

White-Ra steaks>practicing!

Grubby beat some NEX players in TLOpen after he tasted that Magical steak
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
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