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On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it.
You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous.
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On June 26 2011 06:49 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 05:48 zeru wrote:On June 26 2011 05:48 TelesisGQ wrote:
Another cheesy fucking terran. yay. standard 2 rax bunker pressure. not cheese. sorry idra fans. The fact that it's standard doesn't make it any less cheesy. It just makes it something that actually shouldn't be in the game. That you can outright do enough damage to kill your opponent, without even going all in and falling behind if it fails, is simply ridiculous. And I'm not even an Idra fan...
bullshit. its as cheesey as the zerg fast expand vs terran. easily defended by a player who doesnt just go for eco the entire early game. zerg rarely go fast expand vs. protoss because early protoss pressure. maybe they shouldnt against terran too.
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On June 26 2011 07:11 FinnGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:11 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuck I need VODs, will there be VODs? I can't believe I lost MC losing to Naniwa and Thorzain and Idra losing to Tarson. AND I MISSED IDRA V HUK FML Scroll up half a page to my post
Thanks a lot!
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On June 26 2011 07:08 MCDayC wrote:
Can someone tell me what the fuck happened around here? I leave, MC 1, Naniwa 1, and now all hell has broken loose. Naniwa beat MC correct? Well that's fucking fantastic, why aren't people talking about this? And Idra lost to a strong Terran? Why is this such a fucking big deal?
You must be new here. Welcome to TL! 
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Maybe people should start discussing based on the merits of an argument or idea, rather than labeling each other fanboys and haters and just repeating that at each other every thread for pages and pages ??
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On June 26 2011 07:08 MCDayC wrote:
Can someone tell me what the fuck happened around here? I leave, MC 1, Naniwa 1, and now all hell has broken loose. Naniwa beat MC correct? Well that's fucking fantastic, why aren't people talking about this? And Idra lost to a strong Terran? Why is this such a fucking big deal?
Because PvP is pretty stupid and MC beat Naniwa 2-0 at MLG, so gloating opportunities are limited.
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On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous.
tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER.
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is there a LR for the HUK vs IDra games? would like to know wtf happened
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On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb.
He is overrated by a lot of TL members. Don't get me wrong, Idra is a great player and most likely the best SC2 player currently living in NA, but he is not the best foreign player by far, which (the vocal minority) of his fan base seems to think. When put against european players, it isn't as clear cut.
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On June 26 2011 07:16 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous. tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER.
Well I might be wrong... but I believe you just confirmed that you are trolling...
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On June 26 2011 07:17 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:16 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous. tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER. Well I might be wrong... but I believe you just confirmed that you are trolling...
I want to believe man, but based on some previous posts... Not sure if he's serious.
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On June 26 2011 07:16 Golgotha wrote:is there a LR for the HUK vs IDra games? would like to know wtf happened
Game 1: Failed 4 gate
Game 2:IdrA getting stuck in Roach/Hydra
Game 3: 7Gate Blink
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On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb.
He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time.
Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.
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On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.
Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent.
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everyone is different and everyone has different opinions and passions, that is the beauty of humanity...
...but what the hell is wrong with you guys that everything that idra does is such a big deal. i really try to understand it but even when the pure awesomeness of this event jumps in your face, there is still something to bitch about as long as idra is somehow involved?
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On June 26 2011 07:16 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous. tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER.
and banning europeans as well 
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On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent.
Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.
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On June 26 2011 07:15 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:08 MCDayC wrote:
Can someone tell me what the fuck happened around here? I leave, MC 1, Naniwa 1, and now all hell has broken loose. Naniwa beat MC correct? Well that's fucking fantastic, why aren't people talking about this? And Idra lost to a strong Terran? Why is this such a fucking big deal? Because PvP is pretty stupid and MC beat Naniwa 2-0 at MLG, so gloating opportunities are limited.
Actually, Nani played a very impressive series where he actually made better decisions then MC did. And it's not like MC was playing poorly either, game 2 was absolutely superb by MC. It was bound to happen that some foreigner beat MC in a PvP, but the games Nani played weren't build order wins at all. Nani beat MC by actually outthinking MC and just playing better, and that says a lot about how talented the guy is.
And it's awesome how the forums go nuts after every Idra loss. The most entertaining round of any tournament is the one where Idra gets thrown out, only to see the fanboys howling about how some opponent cheesed him. Honestly, go play some terran and see how not attacking for the first 15 minutes works out for you.
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