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I like how this thread turned from happy posting to typical GSL/NASL LR thread, good job fanboys!
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On June 26 2011 07:22 gladheateher1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:16 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous. tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER. and banning europeans as well 
And north americans as well.
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On June 26 2011 07:23 Arc1 wrote:
I like how this thread turned from happy posting to typical GSL/NASL LR thread, good job fanboys!
Quoting for the truth.
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On June 26 2011 07:15 lolnoty wrote:
Maybe people should start discussing based on the merits of an argument or idea, rather than labeling each other fanboys and haters and just repeating that at each other every thread for pages and pages ??
Ever notice how this shit starts 99% of the time after IdrA loses?
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STOP THE FUCKING WHINING THIS TOURNAMENT IS AWESOME.
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On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.
Huk is Korean haha.
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I cant find the games? Or anyting about HSC3
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See you guys tommorow, Foreigners ♥
On June 26 2011 07:27 Kammalleri wrote:I cant find the games? Or anyting about HSC3
I said they gonna be uploaded on monday -.-
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On June 26 2011 07:27 Kammalleri wrote:I cant find the games? Or anyting about HSC3
Wow, I suggest you read his post again  .
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On June 26 2011 07:26 Steamroller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. Huk is Korean haha.
So is IdrA then, right? He was in Korea for longer.
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On June 26 2011 07:27 Kammalleri wrote:I cant find the games? Or anyting about HSC3
Didn't he say on monday?
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On June 26 2011 07:29 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:26 Steamroller wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. Huk is Korean haha. So is IdrA then, right? He was in Korea for longer.
No in the terms of the "rules", Idra is influenced by the NA style of play so he's American.
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On June 26 2011 07:16 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:13 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On June 26 2011 06:41 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:36 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 06:33 rauk wrote:On June 26 2011 06:23 Kraznaya wrote:
I don't know why people keep harping on Idra's mentality so much. The truth about Idra is that he's just vastly overrated - at least in comparison to the size of his fanbase - and he tends to lose in the most spectacular ways. People saying his "mentality" is the only weakness to his playing style are vastly overestimating an overhyped Brood War B teamer who never saw the light of day. idra wasn't over hyped in broodwar. he trained so hard on the CJ b-team, lost to trap 1-2 in a very standard macro TvP in the GOMTV classic 2 in the first round, and basically dominated every single amateur foreigner event after he'd been training professionally for three years in korea. minus his fluke loss to nony in TSL3, is there a single amateur event that idra participated in he didn't dominate? plus his liquibition loss to f91 doesn't count because it was laggy and f91 is a pro in china anyways. loss to f91 -> fluke loss to nony -> fluke can beat unpaid foreigner amateurs after training professionally for three years in korea -> pro never change :D that's unfair. idra couldn't find the time to learn korean because he was training full-time, so he couldn't really take advantage of being in a pro environment by interacting with his team mates and coaches. also he was probably unfairly discriminated against in estro; the estro players badmouthed him in an interview saying that nony was more friendly and more easy to get along with. idra is just a victim of his circumstances, your post history is basically a long list of clueless idra bashing. Did you ever think maybe Nony really was "more friendly and more easy to get along with" than IdrA, who was known for his BM and lonewolf attitude? If you aren't nice to me, I'm probably not gonna be nice to you. That's not "unfair discrimination". well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. You seem like the ultimate fanboy, holy shit it's ridiculous. tournaments should just ban koreans so that idra actually has a chance at winning an event again, IDRA FOREVER.
Guys, it's pretty clear that rauk is trying harder and harder to get across the point that he's just trolling. I hate when people throw around the word "troll" as a way to discredit people they're arguing with, but just look at his post history in this thread. Every time somebody calls him out for saying something ridiculous, he says things that are even more ridiculous. He generally ignores all actual arguments, and his posts have extremely blatant contradictions within them.
He is not serious. We can ignore him.
Let's just look forward to some excellent games tomorrow.
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On June 26 2011 07:30 Steamroller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:29 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:26 Steamroller wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. Huk is Korean haha. So is IdrA then, right? He was in Korea for longer. No in the terms of the "rules", Idra is influenced by the NA style of play so he's American.
What the fuck kind of rules are these?
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such a great tournament, only one thing is missing: footage from the poker games. :D
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Tarson doing shockingly well 0_0
Shame Idra is out.
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On June 26 2011 07:30 Steamroller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:29 Mordiford wrote:On June 26 2011 07:26 Steamroller wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. Huk is Korean haha. So is IdrA then, right? He was in Korea for longer. No in the terms of the "rules", Idra is influenced by the NA style of play so he's American.
If only. I'm pretty sure 2 raxes and hellion into banshee openers are quite common on the NA server ;p.
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On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +
Yeah post a picture of Idra with his teammate (Demuslim) and his teammate's best friend (Rotterdam). Definitely proved your point there man
Erm, yeah he kinda did prove his point that people would socialize with him. There are plenty of people socalizing with IdrA and you're a tool to think otherwise... Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw?
He's overrated because the last event he won that included European and Korean players was...I don't even remember. Yet whenever he loses he still has 1000 fanboys jumping out of the woodwork whining about cheese and imbalance. Its only the people who think that Idra's #1 and can never get outplayed that make him overrated. Reasonable people see him as obviously a top foreigner but not any better than a number of top europeans and definetly not top code S material at the moment.
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Are there any/will there be replays available from the tournament?
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EPT
