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bdictkam
Canada155 Posts
When other players lose its whatever but when certain players lose everyone goes nuts for or against.. How come people have set expectations of victory or defeat and more closesly look at a player like idra when his peers are only slightly better or slightly worse, its all bias and personalities.. lol | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
Is this not trolling? It just looks like you are trying to start an argument here over nationality... in a thread that is unrelated to it, especially since you follow it up with a laugh. Why did you bother with your post? | ||
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kix
Germany20 Posts
So fun actually seeing the personalities of all the players and not only seeing them ingame. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
Pretty pointless. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
He did an eight rax (with SCVs) VS Stephano at the Gamers Assembly as the LB was B1 because of the delay in the organisation. Kinda sad, I'd prefer seeing him try to outplay his opponents rather than bruteforce when he feels behind, even though it seems to work ! | ||
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Steamroller
Finland756 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:34 Chicane wrote: Is this not trolling? It just looks like you are trying to start an argument here over nationality... in a thread that is unrelated to it, especially since you follow it up with a laugh. Why did you bother with your post? Fix your sarcasm detector. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:36 Paladia wrote: Well, 50% of these boards are people from the US and they only have one decent player (Idra), so everytime he loses (which always happens as he hasn't won anything this year except a local tournament) the boards get spammed with excuses for Idra, excuses for his BM and excuses his poor play and how more worse (?) the winner is than Idra. Pretty pointless. Wow you love attacking the US? | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:36 Paladia wrote: Well, 50% of these boards are people from the US and they only have one decent player (Idra), so everytime he loses (which always happens as he hasn't won anything this year except a local tournament) the boards get spammed with excuses for Idra, excuses for his BM and excuses his poor play and how more worse (?) the winner is than Idra. Pretty pointless. LOL this guy I guess you've never seen a GSL thread where a top Zerg loses to bunkers | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:34 bdictkam wrote: Everyone is bashing on Idranerd but really how badly did huk play and his really really bad results in the past half a year... But with one tourney all that turned around in the public eye When other players lose its whatever but when certain players lose everyone goes nuts for or against.. How come people have set expectations of victory or defeat and more closesly look at a player like idra when his peers are only slightly better or slightly worse, its all bias and personalities.. lol There aren't 50k shitton of whiners raging about balance when Huk loses a game. In a tournament like this Idra is not thefavourite to win it all like a lot of comments here make it out to be. He is only one of many. Reading in here it sounds like Flash himself lost against a D- player due to imbalance. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:36 Paladia wrote: Well, 50% of these boards are people from the US and they only have one decent player (Idra), so everytime he loses (which always happens as he hasn't won anything this year except a local tournament) the boards get spammed with excuses for Idra, excuses for his BM and excuses his poor play and how more worse (?) the winner is than Idra. Pretty pointless. I know plenty european idra fans and plenty of us idra haters. Your generalization is certainly not true for the majority, maybe slightly true at best. The real reason ofcourse is the way IdrA lost - he goes economic all-in basically, he gets punished for it and everyone rages over 'cheesy Tarson'. If you play greedy like that there's very few players who will still outmacro you - IdrA does a roach/ling all in vs P as well so it's not like he's above it. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
Lol you say that as if tone can be interpreted over the internet that easily. Regardless, comments like that actually lead to arguments with some people here. | ||
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velocityqt
121 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:38 mr_tolkien wrote: Everytime I see Tarson offsetting somebody, it's with marines all in XD He did an eight rax (with SCVs) VS Stephano at the Gamers Assembly as the LB was B1 because of the delay in the organisation. Kinda sad, I'd prefer seeing him try to outplay his opponents rather than bruteforce when he feels behind, even though it seems to work ! you post is irrelevant considering neither of his wins were all-ins but totally standard pressure buids idra just defended horribly | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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NotCptKirk
Germany165 Posts
Peace and good night boys ^^ | ||
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
These players are just amazing I still can't believe those games. I think you have to be a high level protoss player to really appreciate just how good these guys were playing pvp, im still in shock. The reads that these guys were making (mostly naniwa) were just incredible. In a matchup where you get barely any information naniwa was making perfect reads. And mc going dt's and having them get completely shut down AND expanding vs a 2 colluses one base push and still winning? if you guys play pvp at a high level you will know that it never happens.. its just amazing ive never seen that before. I really hope these two make it to the finals again because i feel like there skill is just so high right now. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:46 zatic wrote: Why are you guys so angry? Be happy about a nice tournament Idra lost, it is what it is  | ||
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minru
United States78 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:45 velocityqt wrote: you post is irrelevant considering neither of his wins were all-ins but totally standard pressure buids idra just defended horribly Wrong. If you don't stay back and build SCVs for 10minutes and go 3+ bases versus Zerg then it's an all-in/cheese. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:11 rauk wrote: well apparently bm and a terrible attitude gets you a longer way than being nice does, because idra is a far more successful player than nony is in sc2. action and all those other ex-estro players are stuck playing an old game like broodwar with no real future in sight, while idra is an international superstar and is always a favorite to win any event without MC or a korean in it. I can't tell if you were trolling from the beginning, or was serious in the beginning and switched to trolling with your "IDRA FOREVER" post, but I'll reply properly anyway. 1. You said Idra was unfairly discriminated at estro and that's why he didn't do well in Korea. 2. I asked where the "unfair discrimination" was based on Idra's behavior in Korea. 3. You said Idra's bm and terrible attitude made him a better player in SC2 than Tyler. Huh?....you've lost me. | ||
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Steamroller
Finland756 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:44 Chicane wrote: Lol you say that as if tone can be interpreted over the internet that easily. Regardless, comments like that actually lead to arguments with some people here. If u would read these forums even casually, u would know that it was sarcasm. | ||
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:34 antelope591 wrote: He's overrated because the last event he won that included European and Korean players was...I don't even remember. Yet whenever he loses he still has 1000 fanboys jumping out of the woodwork whining about cheese and imbalance. Its only the people who think that Idra's #1 and can never get outplayed that make him overrated. Reasonable people see him as obviously a top foreigner but not any better than a number of top europeans and definetly not top code S material at the moment. The bolded sentence (emphasis mine) shows that you're not interested in doing any research (hint: type "IdrA" into the TL search bar and go the TLPD page listed), but rather making a vague and useless point because you feel like bashing IdrA. Interestingly, your argument was actually weakened by your unwillingness to do thirty seconds of research, because you would have discovered that IdrA has never won a major event that included European and Korean (and North American, you probably meant to say) players since the beta. It's too bad that you weren't interested in finding out what the truth actually was. Not that it matters, of course. We shouldn't judge a player by the number of tournaments they've won, but by the quality of play they show and the opponents they've defeated. The major tournaments IdrA has won (post-beta) are MLG DC and IPL Season 1, neither of which included notable Korean players. However, IdrA has a much longer and better record against Korean players than most foreigners, and has arguably the second-best results of any player in the GSL (after Jinro). If you care to know, only three non-Korean players have ever won a major tournament with players from Korea, Europe, and North America. They are Naama (DH Winter 2010), Thorzain (TSL3), and HuK (Dreamhack Summer 2011). Are they the best three foreigners because of that? Certainly not, although the latter two are definitely in the running. How about Naniwa, Select, KiWiKaKi, and, well, IdrA? Should we eliminate them from consideration because they've never won a tournament with players from all three regions, despite how well they may play? To be clear, I'm not even disagreeing with you. I think IdrA is overrated, but your reasons for saying so are silly. He's overrated because people consistently expect from him a higher level of performance than he manages to deliver. People always start out impressed, and then end up inevitably disappointed. The fact that IdrA has never won a tournament with Koreans in it is completely irrelevant, what matters is that he is losing at all when people think he won't, and delivering surprisingly poor play at times. That's how the term "overrated" works. Your IdrA-bashing seems to have nothing to do with that, although I noticed you stopped an inch short of saying he wasn't a top foreigner despite implying so. Saying he's "not any better than a number of top europeans" just means he's up there with the top Europeans, putting him among the best foreigners. Saying he's "definitely not top code S material at the moment" is also no surprise, even his more dedicated fanboys don't claim that (although perhaps they secretly think it, who knows). Not even the best foreigner is top Code S material right now, and that's arguably been the case since January. Yes, IdrA is overrated right now. Yes, his fans can be annoying. Despite that, criticizing him without looking to see if the arguments presented are actually rooted in fact is just as annoying. Fanboys and haters are no better than one another. | ||
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