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On June 26 2011 08:01 rekoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:58 Sqq wrote:
Did IdrA complain or something when he lost ? How was the games he lost vs HuK & Tarson ? He just didn't type gg...lol He lost to pretty hard strategy to deal as a zerg player(6 or 7 gate blink, helion + banshee pressure, 2 rax + bunker rush....) I think he showed (again) how good he was at macro-ing...but having(again) a hard time dealing pressur 
actually idra is probably the best zerg at dealing with early pressure since that's all everyone does against him. all the other zergs save for a couple probably would've lost faster than idra. it's just that he gets all inned so often that it seems he only loses to them.
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Not really. His 2-rax defesne just looked so poor. Every Zerg has seen and dealt with that countless of times.
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On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.
IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious)
IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win.
IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs.
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Just came back after a long night to check the results and I am so pleased for Naniwa, taking a series from MC, so amazing.
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Oh jeez, both HuK and Tarson get their revenge. And Naniwa pulls one out against MC? I really hope vods come up someday soon.
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On June 26 2011 09:24 AzureD wrote:
What was interesting about that Idra vs Tarson game one was that those Thor where at +2 which means they 2 shot Muta. They fought in pairs with mass repair but it was useless. 6 Thor lost to 20 Muta with 5 Muta lost I think.
It made the Thor look really bad because the cost of the Thor army was very similar to the Muta army and Muta won really hard against their counter.
it is like making only colossus against mass lings with no gateway support
it doesnt make collossus look bad
it makes you look bad
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wow i would really like to point out the naniwa vs mc game 3
alot of people here appreciate the high level play
however it was mostly standing in base maxing up army and getting upgrades
what made the match so enjoyable was the casting specially tod and the other casters really pointed out the mindgames and strategys
with the shoutcasters we usually hear at tournaments who have not even close the understanding of the game this wouldve been gone down to history as one of the most boring games
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are there any VODs? missed this whole day
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On June 26 2011 09:54 ThePhan2m wrote:are there any VODs? missed this whole day
Me too, I've been looking everywhere but I can't find any.
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I was surprised that no adv was given to Idra for having won earlier against Tarson.
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I don't want to sound too much like a whiny, self-entitled, spoiled little brat... but where the hell are all the damn VODs!
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If i remember correctly they said that they'd upload VODs after the event is finished - not quite sure though :X
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The soonest the VODS will be up is monday i believe. As ESL Events always have VODs after the event.
But here are some german internetpages with many pictures from today for those who missed the stream:
Fragster
inStarcraft
Readmore
After idradiscussion is gone lets go back to other things happend today:
On June 25 2011 23:46 dangerjoe wrote:![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/23mv5s1.jpg)
On June 26 2011 04:35 Colm wrote:![[image loading]](http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3558/ats0v5copy.jpg)
On June 25 2011 23:47 GetToDaChopa wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0JFGj.png)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2011 22:40 Loxley wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pbGWl.jpg) On June 25 2011 22:08 Loxley wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GuIhZ.jpg)
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On June 26 2011 09:24 AzureD wrote:
What was interesting about that Idra vs Tarson game one was that those Thor where at +2 which means they 2 shot Muta. They fought in pairs with mass repair but it was useless. 6 Thor lost to 20 Muta with 5 Muta lost I think.
It made the Thor look really bad because the cost of the Thor army was very similar to the Muta army and Muta won really hard against their counter.
it is like making only colossus against mass lings with no gateway support
it doesnt make collossus look bad
it makes you look bad
Like rines?with 1 or 2 Raxx?the prob with mech is you have no Marines...so the Thor is your only option against mutas,and we all saw how it went out...Thorzain even stated it in the Cast.
"spend all minerals in 5 hatches then overwhelm him with mutas"
And a zerg can deal with marines quite cost-effective especially when there are only few of them.
Remember Idra say in Clouds game ,after he fucked up his raxx rally point:
"Cloud might be a strategic Genius"
He won with the idle marines afterward
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Didn't read all 451 pages, but are their vods of any of the games?
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On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious) IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win. IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs.
But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2011 09:50 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote:
wow i would really like to point out the naniwa vs mc game 3
alot of people here appreciate the high level play
however it was mostly standing in base maxing up army and getting upgrades
what made the match so enjoyable was the casting specially tod and the other casters really pointed out the mindgames and strategys
with the shoutcasters we usually hear at tournaments who have not even close the understanding of the game this wouldve been gone down to history as one of the most boring games
I feel that this is why a lot of great games fall by the wayside, not a lot of action but a lot of strategy.
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On June 26 2011 11:36 Carni wrote:
Didn't read all 451 pages, but are their vods of any of the games?
not until after the event
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Going to watch the vods for MC vs Naniwa later, all I know is when MC loses, he gets mad.
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On June 26 2011 11:55 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious) IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win. IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs. But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day.
No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days.
I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else.
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