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AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
June 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#9001
On June 26 2011 08:01 rekoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:58 Sqq wrote:
Did IdrA complain or something when he lost ? How was the games he lost vs HuK & Tarson ?


He just didn't type gg...lol
He lost to pretty hard strategy to deal as a zerg player(6 or 7 gate blink, helion + banshee pressure, 2 rax + bunker rush....)

I think he showed (again) how good he was at macro-ing...but having(again) a hard time dealing pressur


actually idra is probably the best zerg at dealing with early pressure since that's all everyone does against him. all the other zergs save for a couple probably would've lost faster than idra. it's just that he gets all inned so often that it seems he only loses to them.
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
June 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#9002
Not really. His 2-rax defesne just looked so poor. Every Zerg has seen and dealt with that countless of times.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
June 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#9003
On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:


Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw?


Cuz he doesn't win.


Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky...

Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb.


He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time.

Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.

Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent.


Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.

IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious)

IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win.

IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#9004
Just came back after a long night to check the results and I am so pleased for Naniwa, taking a series from MC, so amazing.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
June 26 2011 00:47 GMT
#9005
Oh jeez, both HuK and Tarson get their revenge. And Naniwa pulls one out against MC? I really hope vods come up someday soon.
Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
June 26 2011 00:48 GMT
#9006
On June 26 2011 09:24 AzureD wrote:
What was interesting about that Idra vs Tarson game one was that those Thor where at +2 which means they 2 shot Muta. They fought in pairs with mass repair but it was useless. 6 Thor lost to 20 Muta with 5 Muta lost I think.

It made the Thor look really bad because the cost of the Thor army was very similar to the Muta army and Muta won really hard against their counter.

it is like making only colossus against mass lings with no gateway support
it doesnt make collossus look bad
it makes you look bad
En Taro Adun!
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
June 26 2011 00:50 GMT
#9007
wow i would really like to point out the naniwa vs mc game 3

alot of people here appreciate the high level play
however it was mostly standing in base maxing up army and getting upgrades

what made the match so enjoyable was the casting specially tod and the other casters really pointed out the mindgames and strategys
with the shoutcasters we usually hear at tournaments who have not even close the understanding of the game this wouldve been gone down to history as one of the most boring games
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
June 26 2011 00:54 GMT
#9008
are there any VODs? missed this whole day
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
June 26 2011 01:18 GMT
#9009
On June 26 2011 09:54 ThePhan2m wrote:
are there any VODs? missed this whole day


Me too, I've been looking everywhere but I can't find any.
https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 26 2011 01:39 GMT
#9010
I was surprised that no adv was given to Idra for having won earlier against Tarson.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
June 26 2011 01:43 GMT
#9011
I don't want to sound too much like a whiny, self-entitled, spoiled little brat... but where the hell are all the damn VODs!
bara
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany150 Posts
June 26 2011 01:48 GMT
#9012
If i remember correctly they said that they'd upload VODs after the event is finished - not quite sure though :X
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas
dumplings
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany298 Posts
June 26 2011 02:05 GMT
#9013
The soonest the VODS will be up is monday i believe. As ESL Events always have VODs after the event.

But here are some german internetpages with many pictures from today for those who missed the stream:

Fragster

inStarcraft

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After idradiscussion is gone lets go back to other things happend today:

On June 25 2011 23:46 dangerjoe wrote:
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On June 25 2011 23:47 GetToDaChopa wrote:
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Please don't leave! The drones need you! They're looking up to you!
Riskr
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 02:38:56
June 26 2011 02:33 GMT
#9014
On June 26 2011 09:24 AzureD wrote:
What was interesting about that Idra vs Tarson game one was that those Thor where at +2 which means they 2 shot Muta. They fought in pairs with mass repair but it was useless. 6 Thor lost to 20 Muta with 5 Muta lost I think.

It made the Thor look really bad because the cost of the Thor army was very similar to the Muta army and Muta won really hard against their counter.

it is like making only colossus against mass lings with no gateway support
it doesnt make collossus look bad
it makes you look bad

Like rines?with 1 or 2 Raxx?the prob with mech is you have no Marines...so the Thor is your only option against mutas,and we all saw how it went out...Thorzain even stated it in the Cast.
"spend all minerals in 5 hatches then overwhelm him with mutas"
And a zerg can deal with marines quite cost-effective especially when there are only few of them.
Remember Idra say in Clouds game ,after he fucked up his raxx rally point:
"Cloud might be a strategic Genius"
He won with the idle marines afterward
Ain´t no mind to the battles you´ve won!
Carni
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand15 Posts
June 26 2011 02:36 GMT
#9015
Didn't read all 451 pages, but are their vods of any of the games?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 26 2011 02:55 GMT
#9016
On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:


Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw?


Cuz he doesn't win.


Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky...

Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb.


He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time.

Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.

Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent.


Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.

IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious)

IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win.

IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs.

But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day.
Taryssa
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1628 Posts
June 26 2011 03:01 GMT
#9017
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 26 2011 09:50 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote:
wow i would really like to point out the naniwa vs mc game 3

alot of people here appreciate the high level play
however it was mostly standing in base maxing up army and getting upgrades

what made the match so enjoyable was the casting specially tod and the other casters really pointed out the mindgames and strategys
with the shoutcasters we usually hear at tournaments who have not even close the understanding of the game this wouldve been gone down to history as one of the most boring games



I feel that this is why a lot of great games fall by the wayside, not a lot of action but a lot of strategy.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
June 26 2011 03:02 GMT
#9018
On June 26 2011 11:36 Carni wrote:
Didn't read all 451 pages, but are their vods of any of the games?


not until after the event
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 26 2011 03:06 GMT
#9019
Going to watch the vods for MC vs Naniwa later, all I know is when MC loses, he gets mad.
YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 03:09:20
June 26 2011 03:07 GMT
#9020
On June 26 2011 11:55 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:


Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw?


Cuz he doesn't win.


Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky...

Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb.


He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time.

Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.

Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent.


Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment.

IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious)

IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win.

IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs.

But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day.

No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days.

I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else.
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