HomeStoryCup III - Day 3 - Page 452

On June 26 2011 09:30 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Not really. His 2-rax defesne just looked so poor. Every Zerg has seen and dealt with that countless of times.

On June 26 2011 07:54 YoungNeil wrote:

The bolded sentence (emphasis mine) shows that you're not interested in doing any research (hint: type "IdrA" into the TL search bar and go the TLPD page listed), but rather making a vague and useless point because you feel like bashing IdrA. Interestingly, your argument was actually weakened by your unwillingness to do thirty seconds of research, because you would have discovered that IdrA has never won a major event that included European and Korean (and North American, you probably meant to say) players since the beta. It's too bad that you weren't interested in finding out what the truth actually was.

Not that it matters, of course. We shouldn't judge a player by the number of tournaments they've won, but by the quality of play they show and the opponents they've defeated. The major tournaments IdrA has won (post-beta) are MLG DC and IPL Season 1, neither of which included notable Korean players. However, IdrA has a much longer and better record against Korean players than most foreigners, and has arguably the second-best results of any player in the GSL (after Jinro). If you care to know, only three non-Korean players have ever won a major tournament with players from Korea, Europe, and North America. They are Naama (DH Winter 2010), Thorzain (TSL3), and HuK (Dreamhack Summer 2011). Are they the best three foreigners because of that? Certainly not, although the latter two are definitely in the running. How about Naniwa, Select, KiWiKaKi, and, well, IdrA? Should we eliminate them from consideration because they've never won a tournament with players from all three regions, despite how well they may play?

To be clear, I'm not even disagreeing with you. I think IdrA is overrated, but your reasons for saying so are silly. He's overrated because people consistently expect from him a higher level of performance than he manages to deliver. People always start out impressed, and then end up inevitably disappointed. The fact that IdrA has never won a tournament with Koreans in it is completely irrelevant, what matters is that he is losing at all when people think he won't, and delivering surprisingly poor play at times. That's how the term "overrated" works. Your IdrA-bashing seems to have nothing to do with that, although I noticed you stopped an inch short of saying he wasn't a top foreigner despite implying so. Saying he's "not any better than a number of top europeans" just means he's up there with the top Europeans, putting him among the best foreigners. Saying he's "definitely not top code S material at the moment" is also no surprise, even his more dedicated fanboys don't claim that (although perhaps they secretly think it, who knows). Not even the best foreigner is top Code S material right now, and that's arguably been the case since January.

Yes, IdrA is overrated right now. Yes, his fans can be annoying. Despite that, criticizing him without looking to see if the arguments presented are actually rooted in fact is just as annoying. Fanboys and haters are no better than one another.

On June 26 2011 12:07 YoungNeil wrote:

No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days.

I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else.

On June 26 2011 12:08 antelope591 wrote:


Cool post but my main point was simply that hes overrated because his fans expect him to win every tourney when in fact he's only won tourneys that include NA players. Not living up to the hype = overrated. Then again u agreed with me so I dont see the point of the long paragraphs. Im aware of what tourneys Idra's won btw.

On June 26 2011 12:19 Headnoob wrote:
Whoa i missed the tarson vs idra games, i'm guessing idra got cheesed out?

On June 26 2011 12:12 Nevuk wrote:

I was making fun of Idra, because what I typed is what Idra seems to believe.

What I actually think is that Idra is a player who will never achieve beyond mediocre success due to flaws in his mentality. If you tilt, you aren't ever going to beat a player of a similar caliber who doesn't tilt. And Idra tilts hard.

edit : I just saw my thing about Shine in my sig, and it reminded me of something. After Shine beat Bisu Idra bashed him hard for being one of the players who could only ride muta micro to victory... but the point wassn't how they got there, it's that they actually got to the point of being able to beat Bisu in ZvP in a rather embarassing fashion for Bisu.

On June 26 2011 12:26 RobotBodies wrote:


Yeah, 2rax and hellion into banshee. But he doesn't have a solution to high level Protoss and more than likely wouldn't have gotten any further. His consistent high placement is a testament to his skill, but he won't win in tournaments with these high level toss until something changes, either in his approach or the game mechanics.

On June 26 2011 12:37 Headnoob wrote:


didn't mean it in an i love idra way, just wonderin after he absolutely destroyed tarson earlier

On June 26 2011 12:37 Headnoob wrote:


didn't mean it in an i love idra way, just wonderin after he absolutely destroyed tarson earlier

On June 26 2011 12:11 Tachion wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't find a half decent summary of Idra's games vs HuK anywhere. What happened in the three games? All I know is that Idra lost a game(s) to HuK's blink stalkers.