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On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent  ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to
I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
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On June 26 2011 12:07 YoungNeil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 11:55 Nevuk wrote:On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious) IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win. IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs. But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day. No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days. I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else.
Look at the last few series he's lost and look at how many of those games he just raged in/left when he could have won, or how many games he just threw away for no reason. Idra could/should be posting better results than every foreigner and be a competitor for first in most tournaments he plays, yet his mindset holds him back from doing so.
Nobody thinks Idra should be 100% winning every game, that would just be stupid fanboyism, but he should be doing MUCH better than he has been doing lately. His play isn't erratic because of his skill, it's erratic because of his mindset and that's the textbook definition of someone who isn't playing to their full potential imo.
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On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that.
?? I'm not calling you dumb, I'm calling you argument dumb. And to be honest, IdrA was "supposed" to win against Tarson. And to the person who said Huk is the best NA well, technically he's the best Canadian 
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wow Tarson, i am impressed of him.
In fact his clan mates too Stephano.
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
"There's lots of people - especially those stupid fucking scum scandinavians - who have prejudice against Germans."
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
jeez... why so serious?
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
I'm offended by this pesky Scandinavian too, better get some rocks.
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White Ra super BBQ skillz allow all the good Protoss to advance. Tarson should switch races asap
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On June 26 2011 16:21 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 12:07 YoungNeil wrote:On June 26 2011 11:55 Nevuk wrote:On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious) IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win. IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs. But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day. No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days. I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else. Look at the last few series he's lost and look at how many of those games he just raged in/left when he could have won, or how many games he just threw away for no reason. Idra could/should be posting better results than every foreigner and be a competitor for first in most tournaments he plays, yet his mindset holds him back from doing so. Nobody thinks Idra should be 100% winning every game, that would just be stupid fanboyism, but he should be doing MUCH better than he has been doing lately. His play isn't erratic because of his skill, it's erratic because of his mindset and that's the textbook definition of someone who isn't playing to their full potential imo.
Agreed. I think a lot of the raging is also him realising that exact thing for himself.
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
Even though his statement looks inappropriate, I wouldn't take it too seriously.
But to some point I agree, judging from the fotos Naniwa is also a fan favourite in Germany and since esports is so much internationalised most people rather care about individual players or their race than their nationality, so I really find this comment on Germans throwing rocks irretating.
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On June 26 2011 17:21 Iamyournoob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people. Even though this statement looks inappropriate, I wouldn't take it too seriously. But I agree, judging from the fotos Naniwa is also a fan favourite in Germany and since esports is so much internationalised most people rather care about individual players or their race than their nationality, so I really find this comment on Germans akward to say the least.
I actually read it with a Naniwa trollface in my mind, so I wasn't that upset. Mannered is something different, true.
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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Naniwa has a special history with german players since he got kicked out of the EPS because of his behaviour. A lot of people (me included) did not like his attitude and BM back then but it seems he has changed and acts more professional now. I think the crowd can honor this and they cheered for him too. Not that he was dead serious about the "throwing rocks" thing but if he wins he should definitely visit the fans at the pub, he would be surprised that they would like him for it too (Or any other winner).
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On June 26 2011 17:06 postlapsaria wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people. "There's lots of people - especially those stupid fucking scum scandinavians - who have prejudice against Germans."
I am from Norway, so I know that some Norwegians have this stupid attitude. My wife is from Germany, so sometimes it gets a bit more personal. I must admit I was a bit too harsh, sorry for that.
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On June 26 2011 07:54 YoungNeil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:34 antelope591 wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Yeah post a picture of Idra with his teammate (Demuslim) and his teammate's best friend (Rotterdam). Definitely proved your point there man
Erm, yeah he kinda did prove his point that people would socialize with him. There are plenty of people socalizing with IdrA and you're a tool to think otherwise... Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? He's overrated because the last event he won that included European and Korean players was...I don't even remember. Yet whenever he loses he still has 1000 fanboys jumping out of the woodwork whining about cheese and imbalance. Its only the people who think that Idra's #1 and can never get outplayed that make him overrated. Reasonable people see him as obviously a top foreigner but not any better than a number of top europeans and definetly not top code S material at the moment. The bolded sentence (emphasis mine) shows that you're not interested in doing any research (hint: type "IdrA" into the TL search bar and go the TLPD page listed), but rather making a vague and useless point because you feel like bashing IdrA. Interestingly, your argument was actually weakened by your unwillingness to do thirty seconds of research, because you would have discovered that IdrA has never won a major event that included European and Korean (and North American, you probably meant to say) players since the beta. It's too bad that you weren't interested in finding out what the truth actually was. Not that it matters, of course. We shouldn't judge a player by the number of tournaments they've won, but by the quality of play they show and the opponents they've defeated. The major tournaments IdrA has won (post-beta) are MLG DC and IPL Season 1, neither of which included notable Korean players. However, IdrA has a much longer and better record against Korean players than most foreigners, and has arguably the second-best results of any player in the GSL (after Jinro). If you care to know, only three non-Korean players have ever won a major tournament with players from Korea, Europe, and North America. They are Naama (DH Winter 2010), Thorzain (TSL3), and HuK (Dreamhack Summer 2011). Are they the best three foreigners because of that? Certainly not, although the latter two are definitely in the running. How about Naniwa, Select, KiWiKaKi, and, well, IdrA? Should we eliminate them from consideration because they've never won a tournament with players from all three regions, despite how well they may play? To be clear, I'm not even disagreeing with you. I think IdrA is overrated, but your reasons for saying so are silly. He's overrated because people consistently expect from him a higher level of performance than he manages to deliver. People always start out impressed, and then end up inevitably disappointed. The fact that IdrA has never won a tournament with Koreans in it is completely irrelevant, what matters is that he is losing at all when people think he won't, and delivering surprisingly poor play at times. That's how the term "overrated" works. Your IdrA-bashing seems to have nothing to do with that, although I noticed you stopped an inch short of saying he wasn't a top foreigner despite implying so. Saying he's "not any better than a number of top europeans" just means he's up there with the top Europeans, putting him among the best foreigners. Saying he's "definitely not top code S material at the moment" is also no surprise, even his more dedicated fanboys don't claim that (although perhaps they secretly think it, who knows). Not even the best foreigner is top Code S material right now, and that's arguably been the case since January. Yes, IdrA is overrated right now. Yes, his fans can be annoying. Despite that, criticizing him without looking to see if the arguments presented are actually rooted in fact is just as annoying. Fanboys and haters are no better than one another.
Im gonna bite the troll bait.
You also failed at doing research. Both IPL Season 1 and MLG D.C. had ZERO koreans and one not so good at that time european attending who didnt even play vs Idra(sorry had zero for both but i forgot about ret). So antelope591statment was correct. Idra only won the tournaments that no korean or european played. And now with koreans assulting online NA torunaments it will be far worse for him to win anything (no that he plays in any of those online cups...)
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On June 26 2011 16:02 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On May 29 2011 21:28 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 19:43 martstar wrote:would very much like to see ToD there ( and not just because of his hilarious accent ) The Public viewing thing would be so great. Imagine: Sunday afternoon the winner of HSC3 jumps up after a close 4:3 win. He graps his tropy and runs to the window. While it is still closed you can hear people screaming and see a huge puplic viewing screen. On that big screen you can see exactly see the same Image a scond time. The place is packed with a thousand nerds with a beer in each hand (hey it`s germany after all ). Everybody turning around at the same time and cheering as loud as they can while the winner raises his tropy proudly in the air to the big crowd of nerds. I can see it ! Can you ? Maybe not HSC3 but HSC? it will be... that will only happen if its a german player. otherwise they will throw rocks at him just had to I was cheering for Naniwa until I read this. There are a lot of ignorant people (especially scandinavians) with stupid stereotypical prejudice against germans, and I am sad to see Naniwa joining the ranks of those people.
You should go find some rocks
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On June 26 2011 17:33 Gr33d wrote:
Naniwa has a special history with german players since he got kicked out of the EPS because of his behaviour. A lot of people (me included) did not like his attitude and BM back then but it seems he has changed and acts more professional now. I think the crowd can honor this and they cheered for him too. Not that he was dead serious about the "throwing rocks" thing but if he wins he should definitely visit the fans at the pub, he would be surprised that they would like him for it too (Or any other winner).
Thats what winning does to you.
If he had a losing streak and starting doing badly, he would be the same.
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On June 26 2011 16:21 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 12:07 YoungNeil wrote:On June 26 2011 11:55 Nevuk wrote:On June 26 2011 09:30 Thrax wrote:On June 26 2011 07:23 Kraznaya wrote:On June 26 2011 07:21 TranceStorm wrote:On June 26 2011 07:19 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 07:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On June 26 2011 07:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? Cuz he doesn't win. Yet he's the best in NA and arguably the best foreign Zerg? Won IPL, highest placing for foreigners in MLG. Got matched up against MC again in Dreamhack which was pretty unlucky... Seriously your dumb if you think IdrA is overrated. I'm not a fanboy but thats just dumb. He is one of many good progamers. I don't see why people should think he is "supposed" to win every game. Thats overrating him right there. If he loses he loses cuz he played worse than his opponent. Every single time. Calling people dumb is really helping your argument btw. You should definitely continue doing that. Yes Idra is a very solid progamer who always finishes in roughly the top 8 of important tournaments. However, expecting him to win every single tournament he enters is overrating his talent. Just look at the QQ when Idra loses. It's as if God himself lost. If that's not overrating a mediocre SC2 player (good for foreigners, mediocre when you look at him in the context of the entire scene), I don't know what is. And by the way, Huk is the best North American player at the moment. IdrA fans QQing is pretty annoying, thank god most of them are sane. The vocal IdrA anti-fans/haters (looking at your last 5-10 posts in this thread, it seems you are part of that select group, considering you've called him a jerk, a bad joke and a mediocre player already) are just as annoying. IdrA losing any game means he is overrated (It seems only his most extreme fans and extreme anti-fans expect him to win everything), Any IdrA fan QQ is attributed to IdrA himself. It gets old so quick. This thread is horrible to read, bashing IdrA and his fans seem to be the new black. Can we go back to whining about balance? I think it would be an improvement. (no, not really serious) IdrA played poorly in the last game, he wasted a lot of lings and didn't micro them properly. Tarson got the better of him and deserved the win. IdrA seems to be in a bit of a slump these days, but his fans see his potential I suppose. If he can get over his mental issues, I don't think there is much stopping him. Even with those problems, he is still the best zerg in NA and one of the best foreigner Zergs. But the things is, Idra plays a very different game from the rest of us. His only opponent is himself. If he wins it's because he looked in the mirror and didn't see his shadow that day. No, that's ridiculous. He's not some kind of tempestuous genius held back by his own internal struggles. He's a good player who also has issues with his mindset. Even when he seems to be in a good state of mind, he's just very good. "Good IdrA" still has good days and bad days, and Good IdrA can still lose on the best of days. I really hate how people are starting to act like IdrA has a huge amount of untapped potential just because they've seen him play some really amazing games. All good players do that. IdrA is more erratic than most players, but his play can swing toward the worse and toward the better, just like everybody else. Look at the last few series he's lost and look at how many of those games he just raged in/left when he could have won, or how many games he just threw away for no reason. Idra could/should be posting better results than every foreigner and be a competitor for first in most tournaments he plays, yet his mindset holds him back from doing so. Nobody thinks Idra should be 100% winning every game, that would just be stupid fanboyism, but he should be doing MUCH better than he has been doing lately. His play isn't erratic because of his skill, it's erratic because of his mindset and that's the textbook definition of someone who isn't playing to their full potential imo.
You can make that argument for pretty much any good player... when skillsets of any two players are comparable, it is the mindset that makes the difference in their performance.. Idra ain't losing random games to chobos, he's losing games to top players, so your argument is rubbish.
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On June 26 2011 09:28 AssuredVacancy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 08:01 rekoJ wrote:On June 26 2011 07:58 Sqq wrote:
Did IdrA complain or something when he lost ? How was the games he lost vs HuK & Tarson ? He just didn't type gg...lol He lost to pretty hard strategy to deal as a zerg player(6 or 7 gate blink, helion + banshee pressure, 2 rax + bunker rush....) I think he showed (again) how good he was at macro-ing...but having(again) a hard time dealing pressur actually idra is probably the best zerg at dealing with early pressure since that's all everyone does against him. all the other zergs save for a couple probably would've lost faster than idra. it's just that he gets all inned so often that it seems he only loses to them.
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On June 26 2011 19:33 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 07:54 YoungNeil wrote:On June 26 2011 07:34 antelope591 wrote:On June 26 2011 06:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Yeah post a picture of Idra with his teammate (Demuslim) and his teammate's best friend (Rotterdam). Definitely proved your point there man
Erm, yeah he kinda did prove his point that people would socialize with him. There are plenty of people socalizing with IdrA and you're a tool to think otherwise... Why do people think IdrA is overrated btw? He's overrated because the last event he won that included European and Korean players was...I don't even remember. Yet whenever he loses he still has 1000 fanboys jumping out of the woodwork whining about cheese and imbalance. Its only the people who think that Idra's #1 and can never get outplayed that make him overrated. Reasonable people see him as obviously a top foreigner but not any better than a number of top europeans and definetly not top code S material at the moment. The bolded sentence (emphasis mine) shows that you're not interested in doing any research (hint: type "IdrA" into the TL search bar and go the TLPD page listed), but rather making a vague and useless point because you feel like bashing IdrA. Interestingly, your argument was actually weakened by your unwillingness to do thirty seconds of research, because you would have discovered that IdrA has never won a major event that included European and Korean (and North American, you probably meant to say) players since the beta. It's too bad that you weren't interested in finding out what the truth actually was. Not that it matters, of course. We shouldn't judge a player by the number of tournaments they've won, but by the quality of play they show and the opponents they've defeated. The major tournaments IdrA has won (post-beta) are MLG DC and IPL Season 1, neither of which included notable Korean players. However, IdrA has a much longer and better record against Korean players than most foreigners, and has arguably the second-best results of any player in the GSL (after Jinro). If you care to know, only three non-Korean players have ever won a major tournament with players from Korea, Europe, and North America. They are Naama (DH Winter 2010), Thorzain (TSL3), and HuK (Dreamhack Summer 2011). Are they the best three foreigners because of that? Certainly not, although the latter two are definitely in the running. How about Naniwa, Select, KiWiKaKi, and, well, IdrA? Should we eliminate them from consideration because they've never won a tournament with players from all three regions, despite how well they may play? To be clear, I'm not even disagreeing with you. I think IdrA is overrated, but your reasons for saying so are silly. He's overrated because people consistently expect from him a higher level of performance than he manages to deliver. People always start out impressed, and then end up inevitably disappointed. The fact that IdrA has never won a tournament with Koreans in it is completely irrelevant, what matters is that he is losing at all when people think he won't, and delivering surprisingly poor play at times. That's how the term "overrated" works. Your IdrA-bashing seems to have nothing to do with that, although I noticed you stopped an inch short of saying he wasn't a top foreigner despite implying so. Saying he's "not any better than a number of top europeans" just means he's up there with the top Europeans, putting him among the best foreigners. Saying he's "definitely not top code S material at the moment" is also no surprise, even his more dedicated fanboys don't claim that (although perhaps they secretly think it, who knows). Not even the best foreigner is top Code S material right now, and that's arguably been the case since January. Yes, IdrA is overrated right now. Yes, his fans can be annoying. Despite that, criticizing him without looking to see if the arguments presented are actually rooted in fact is just as annoying. Fanboys and haters are no better than one another. Im gonna bite the troll bait. You also failed at doing research. Both IPL Season 1 and MLG D.C. had ZERO koreans and one not so good at that time european attending who didnt even play vs Idra(sorry had zero for both but i forgot about ret). So antelope591statment was correct. Idra only won the tournaments that no korean or european played. And now with koreans assulting online NA torunaments it will be far worse for him to win anything (no that he plays in any of those online cups...)
Eugh...it's late enough that you'll probably never read this post, but I really do need to call you out here. You clearly didn't read my post in its entirety. I don't blame you, since it was rather long, but if you're not going to read all of it then you had really better not reply. I was saying that antelope591 was correct in his summary (assumption) of IdrA's tournament results. I was saying that he should have done research, because it would have supported his point, and the fact that he was unable to cite tournament results when they actually went along with his argument made it look like he was just flamebaiting instead of trying to make a serious argument.
I disagreed with his assessment on different grounds, not because IdrA has won tournaments with Korean players. He hasn't. If you want to find out why I still disagreed, feel free to read the post you quoted.
Edit: I mean, seriously. Just look at the goddamn sentence you bolded, it is the opposite of what you seem to think I'm saying.
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